RIP Bob Gibson Topic

Kaline, Seaver, Brock, and now Gibson. 2020, what a terrible year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/sports/baseball/bob-gibson-dies.html

Bob Gibson, Feared Flamethrower for the Cardinals, Dies at 84
Gibson, who won two Cy Young Awards and threw 56 career shutouts, was known for his high, inside fastballs.

By Richard Goldstein
Published Oct. 2, 2020
Updated Oct. 3, 2020, 1:34 a.m. ET

Bob Gibson, the St. Louis Cardinals’ Hall of Fame right-hander who became one of baseball’s most dominating pitchers, winning 251 games in 17 seasons with an intimidating fastball and an attitude to match, died on Friday. He was 84.

His death was confirmed by Brian Bartow, a spokesman for the Cardinals. Gibson announced in July 2019 that he had pancreatic cancer.

Through the summers of the 1960s and early ’70s, Gibson proved a relentless force, and he was at his best in the World Series.

Gibson won both the National League’s Most Valuable Player Award and Cy Young Award, as its best pitcher, in 1968, when he won 22 games, struck out 268 batters, pitched 13 shutouts and posted an earned run average of 1.12. The following year, Major League Baseball lowered the pitchers’ mounds to give batters a break, but Gibson won 20 games and struck out 269.

He won at least 20 games five times and struck out 3,117 batters, relying on two kinds of fastballs, one breaking upward and other downward, and a slider that he threw at about three-quarters speed. He threw 56 career shutouts and captured a second Cy Young Award in 1970. He was an eight-time All-Star, won a Gold Glove award for fielding nine times and pitched a no-hitter against the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1971.

Pitching for three Cardinals pennant-winners, Gibson won seven World Series games in a row, losing in his first and last Series starts. His physique was not especially imposing — he was 6 feet 1 inch and 190 pounds or so — but he holds the records for most strikeouts in a World Series game, 17, and in a single World Series, 35, both against the Detroit Tigers in 1968.

He was voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1981, his first year of eligibility.

Gibson disdained conversations with opposing players, even at All-Star Games. He bristled at reporters’ questions he considered silly. And he was feared for his high, inside fastballs that set batters up for pitches on the outside corner.

“Bob wasn’t just unfriendly when he pitched,” Joe Torre, a Cardinals teammate who later hired Gibson as a coach when he managed the Mets, the Atlanta Braves and the Cardinals, told the sportswriter Roger Kahn in an article for The New York Times shortly before Gibson’s induction into the Hall. “I’d say it was more like hateful.”

“My thing was winning,” Gibson said in his autobiography, “Stranger to the Game,” written with Lonnie Wheeler and published in 1994. “I didn’t see how being pleasant or amiable had anything to do with winning, so I wasn’t pleasant on the mound and I wasn’t amiable off it.”

“For my money, the most intimidating, arrogant pitcher ever to kick up dirt on a mound is Bob Gibson,” Tim McCarver, the Cardinals’ catcher and a longtime broadcaster, recalled in his 1987 memoir, “Oh, Baby, I Love It!”

“If you ever saw Gibson work,” McCarver said, “you’d never forget his style: his cap pulled down low over his eyes, the ball gripped — almost mashed — behind his right hip, the eyes smoldering at each batter almost accusingly.”

Profiling Gibson for The New Yorker in September 1980, Roger Angell told how after his 17-strikeout game against Detroit, a reporter asked if Gibson had always been as competitive as he seemed that day.

“He said yes,” Angell wrote, “and he added that he had played several hundred games of tick-tack-toe against one of his young daughters and that she had yet to win a game from him. He said this with a little smile, but it seemed to me that he meant it: he couldn’t let himself lose to anyone. Then someone asked him if he had been surprised by what he had just done on the field, and Gibson said, ‘I’m never surprised by anything I do.’”

Pack Robert Gibson was born on Nov. 9, 1935, in Omaha, Neb., the youngest of seven children, and grew up in a housing project there. His father, Pack Gibson, died a few months before his birth and his mother, Victoria, worked in a laundry. His brother Josh, a graduate of Creighton University in Omaha, became his mentor and introduced him to recreational programs he oversaw. Bob Gibson became an all-city basketball player in high school and played several positions on an American Legion baseball team that won a city title.

His favorite sport was basketball, and he became the first Black athlete to play basketball and baseball at Creighton. He averaged more than 20 points a game for his collegiate basketball career and pitched, caught and played several other positions for the baseball team.

After graduating from Creighton, Gibson signed with the Cardinals’ minor league organization in 1957.

He pitched in the American Association and South Atlantic League that year, played basketball for the Harlem Globetrotters in the off-season, then focused solely on baseball. He made his debut with the Cardinals in 1959, then began to emerge as a leading pitcher two years later under the tutelage of Manager Johnny Keane, who had managed him in the minor leagues.

Gibson helped pitch the Cardinals to the National League pennant in 1964, when they surged past the collapsing Philadelphia Phillies, and he beat the Yankees in Game 7 of the World Series, pitching on two days’ rest. It was his second victory in the Series, and he was named M.V.P.

He missed two months of the 1967 regular season after a line drive off the bat of the Pirates’ Roberto Clemente broke his leg, but beat the “impossible dream” Boston Red Sox three times in the World Series, including a victory in Game 7, and won M.V.P. honors again.

In the 1968 World Series, Gibson twice outpitched the Tigers’ Denny McLain, a 31-game winner that year, but lost to Mickey Lolich in the deciding Game 7.

Gibson faced the racial segregation of the South, first as a minor leaguer in Columbus, Ga., and then with the Cardinals when their Black players were barred from the team’s spring training hotel in St. Petersburg, Fla.
When Gibson was in his prime on Cardinal teams that also featured Black stars like Lou Brock, Curt Flood and Orlando Cepeda, his reputation as an intimidating, if not surly presence, may have been influenced by racial issues.

“I pitched in a period of civil unrest, of black power and clenched fists and burning buildings and assassinations and riots in the street,” Gibson recalled in his memoir. “There was a country full of angry black people in those days, and by extension — and by my demeanor on the mound — I was perceived as one of them. There was some truth to that, but it had little, if anything, to do with the way I worked a batter. I didn’t see a hitter’s color. I saw his stance, his strike zone, his bat speed, his power and his weaknesses.”

Gibson tore cartilage in his knee in 1973, but in ’74 he became the second pitcher, after Walter Johnson, to strike out at least 3,000 batters in a career. Gibson retired after the 1975 season with a career record of 251-174 and an earned run average of 2.91. He hit 24 regular-season home runs, plus two in the World Series.

In addition to coaching with Torre after he retired as a player, Gibson became a broadcaster for national and Cardinal outlets and pursued commercial ventures in Omaha, where he owned a restaurant and was board chairman of a bank that largely served Omaha’s Black residents.

Complete information on survivors was not immediately available.


10/3/2020 4:00 AM
1968? Over a two month stretch covering 99 innings, he gave up 2 earned runs.

He and Dale Earnhardt are the two most competitive athletes I've ever seen.

Willie Stargell struck out against him in the first inning of a game. Returning to the dugout, he simply told his teammates "Not today, guys"...
10/3/2020 4:18 AM (edited)
Saw Bob get his last win at Busch on July 27, 1975. It was in relief, as he entered the game in the 4th with the score tied 6-6 with the Phillies. He had good stuff that day, throwing 4 scoreless innings with 4 K's. Had good seats that day, first row just behind 3B near the Philly BP. Watching Lonborg and Tug McGraw warm up was pretty awesome to me.

When Gibson got up to start throwing in the 4th, the crowd cheered loudly. After he started getting loose and throwing harder, you could hear the ball pop across the field as it hit the catcher's mitt. Loved Gibby...he had a distinctive pitching motion and liked to work fast.

Also saw him pitch in an old-timers' game in the 80's. It was a Cards/Reds game and Bob wasn't throwing particularly hard. He allowed a couple hits in a row against some older guys. Johnny Bench had recently retired and was all smiles as he came to bat and dug in. You guessed it...a pretty nice fastball right at Bench, sending him flying from the batter's box. The crowd at Busch was roaring and laughing. Bench didn't dig in after that.

It's been a rough year, losing several baseball heros...RIP Bob.
10/3/2020 5:12 AM
The brilliant Roger Angell wrote a great profile of Gibson around 1980 or so, focusing on his life post-retirement. It's excerpted in the original post above. Not sure if it can be found online; it's in one of Angell's anthologies, Late Innings, I think.
10/3/2020 9:23 AM
Found my copy of Late Innings. The profile in question was written in August 1980 about Angell's time with Gibson in Omaha in July. Really fascinating reading.

Here's an interesting excerpt:
"Well, I never really liked being on the All Star Team. I liked the honor of it, being voted one of the best, but I couldn't get used to the idea of playing with people from other teams in the league - guys who I'd have to go out and try to beat just a couple of days later. I didn't even like having Joe (Torre) catch me - he was with the Braves then - because I figured he'd learn how to hit me..."

Later in the same paragraph:
"But in any of the All-Star games where I got to pitch early, I'd always dress right away and get out of there in a hurry, before the other players got done and came into the clubhouse. I didn't want to hang around and make friends. I don't think there's any place in the game for a pitcher smiling and joking with the hitters. I was all business on the mound - it is a business, isn't it?"
10/3/2020 2:33 PM
I found the Angell story in the archives on their site. Even if you aren't a subscriber you can get a few free reads a month. I spent a couple hours immersed in it last night. Excellent.
10/3/2020 2:57 PM
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1980/09/22/distance
10/3/2020 3:51 PM
Thanks, Doc. Angell is a beauty. And still going strong at 100!
10/3/2020 6:04 PM
Haven't seen any other references so:

RIP Jay Johnstone.
10/5/2020 4:24 PM
And Ron Perranoski
10/5/2020 7:28 PM
Chris Russo interviewed Bob Costas this afternoon on SiriusXM about Gibby. Apparently, they were close. And he mentioned how he didn't even acknowledge Joe Torre at the All-Star Game, but they later became good friends. Too bad I couldn't hear all of the interview, because I pulled into work.
10/6/2020 12:58 AM
Gibby was THE BEST. Unlike the cowardly Cards pitchers that folded to SD last week...I really hope he didnt watch those games, it would have disappointed him the way the Cards pitchers refused to even try and pitch inside to get SD out of their comfort zones...

My Dad attended many games at Busch Stadium in STL in the 60s and early 70s. He was up front one time (you used to be able to move up) where you could hear the players talking....he told me a batter went up to home plate and proceeding to dig a deep hole in the back of the batters box for his back foot..."Gibson yelled at the hitter saying "you better dig that deep enough to crawl in".... Vintage Bob Gibson.

Another story that McCarver told after Gibson (who was his friend) walked a guy and fell behind immediately to the next better. McCarver calls time and begins to walk to the mound...Gibson stops him before he leaves the home plate dirt and says "Give me the G-D ball, I dont need you out here".

There wont be anyone else like that man.
10/6/2020 1:35 PM

Hank Aaron on Bob Gibson
“(Hank Aaron told me) ‘Don’t dig in against Bob Gibson, he’ll knock you down. He’d knock down his own grandmother if she dared to challenge him. Don’t stare at him, don’t smile at him, don’t talk to him. He doesn’t like it. If you happen to hit a home run, don’t run too slow, don’t run too fast. If you happen to want to celebrate, get in the tunnel first. And if he hits you, don’t charge the mound, because he’s a Gold Glove boxer.’ I’m like, ‘Damn, what about my 17-game hitting streak?’ That was the night it ended.”
—Dusty Baker

Source: BaseballLibrary.com

Dick Allen on Bob Gibson
“Gibson was so mean, he’d knock you down and then meet you at home plate to see if you wanted to make something of it.”
—Dick Allen

Jim Ray Hart on Bob Gibson
“Between games, (Willie) Mays came over to me and said, ‘Now, in the second game, you’re going up against Bob Gibson.’ I only half-listened to what he was saying, figuring it didn’t make much difference. So I walked up to the plate the first time and started digging a little hole with my back foot…No sooner did I start digging that hole than I hear Willie screaming from the dugout: ‘Noooooo!’ Well, the first pitch came inside. No harm done, though. So I dug in again. The next thing I knew, there was a loud crack and my left shoulder was broken. I should have listened to Willie.”
—Jim Ray Hart

Source: Baseball Almanac

10/6/2020 9:21 PM

Dusty Baker on Bob Gibson
One night Dusty Baker saw Gibson eating in a restaurant. His teammates encouraged him to walk over and say hello. “It’s OK,” they told him. “It’s away from the field. This is a good time. Bob will be happy to talk.” Then, while those teammates snickered, Baker and his wife walked over and, Dusty said, “Excuse me, Mr. Gibson.”

And Gibson looked up and without even a hint of a smile he snarled, “Why the *$*#&$* should I talk to you?” Then he looked past Dusty, to his wife, and said, “It’s very nice to meet you Mrs. Baker.”

Source: joeposnanksi.com

Bob Gibson on Bob Gibson
“Have you ever thrown a ball 100 miles an hour? Everything hurts. Even your *** hurts. I see pictures of my face and say, ‘Holy ****’, but that’s the strain you feel when you throw. I had one of those faces you look at it, man, and say, ‘Man he’s an ***-hole.’ Could be, depends on if you ****** me off or not.”

“When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story.”

“Why do I have to be an example for your kid? You be an example for your own kid.”

10/6/2020 9:27 PM
Incomprehensible that Richie Allen could be intimidated by anyone. He was Ron Lyle with a bat.
10/6/2020 9:49 PM
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