I'm not going to give out the team name here or the world. But this would be where the issue with the current RPI system.

Record 15-6 RPI 6

0-5 vs. RPI Top 25

Best win vs RPI 29

This would be one example where too much weight is placed on SOS.

Quote: Originally posted by thewizard2 on 1/12/2010I'm not going to give out the team name here or the world. But this would be where the issue with the current RPI system.

Record 15-6 RPI 6

0-5 vs. RPI Top 25

Best win vs RPI 29

This would be one example where too much weight is placed on SOS.

you gotta post a team. i didnt find anyone that fits this bill. it can only be in smith, allen, and knight.

arkansas and ASU in knight are both very deserving in their RPI's.

Michigan in Smith, as well.

RPI is flawed which is why it is essentially just a tie breaker in real life, it has too much weight in the HD world.

rpi is a mathematical formula that works great in real life and does the same here....

anyone that has an issue with it just wants cupcake wins to count more.

Since thewizard2 is being passive-aggressive, I'll point out that the team in question can only be U of DC, coached by bellini1962 in DII Knight.

16-6, RPI 6, SOS 20... played 10 on the road for OOC.

After 22 games:

3 opps with 19 or more wins
3 opps with 17-18 wins
5 opps with 14-16 wins
3 opps with 11-13 wins
2 opps with 9-10 wins
4 opps with 6-8 wins
2 opps with <6 wins

Quote: Originally posted by mrpolo09 on 1/12/2010rpi is a mathematical formula that works great in real life and does the same here....

anyone that has an issue with it just wants cupcake wins to count more.

That does seem to be exactly what wizard doesn't want, though.

hmmmm. so the worst team they've played this year has an RPI of 106. i guess its all how you present the information. . . .

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alright, you linked the wrong team....

as for UofDC. their RPI is being brought down more by road games than SOS....

17 of their 22 games have been on the road. thats huge for RPI.

It's there in black and white.

0-5 vs. RPI Top 25 does not equal an RPI of 6 and shouldn't in any mathematical formula.

It's actually good strategy by bellini and certainly don't fault him for it. He was smart and took advantage of how the RPI system works.

I never said wins should count for more, but as mentioned numerous times before, the RPI system is far from perfect.

Quote: Originally posted by mrpolo09 on 1/12/2010alright, you linked the wrong team....

Noted and fixed.

Something that in real life doesn't cause a problem with RPI< because no team in real life would schedule every non conference game on the road, or even close.

(Not that there aren't problems with it in real life)

Quote: Originally posted by thewizard2 on 1/12/2010It's there in black and white.

0-5 vs. RPI Top 25 does not equal an RPI of 6 and shouldn't in any mathematical formula.

It's actually good strategy by bellini and certainly don't fault him for it. He was smart and took advantage of how the RPI system works.

I never said wins should count for more, but as mentioned numerous times before, the RPI system is far from perfect.

You shouldn't use the Top 25 from WIS to make your point. Although he is 0-5 against the Top 25, he could of had wins against teams that were more deserving of being in the Top 25. Beside the RPI formula already accounts for the fact that he lost those games. He wins 2 or 3 and he may be sitting with the #1 RPI

RPI isn't perfect, it is a great tool but nothing more then that. It isn't a tell all number by any means Wiz.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/12/2010RPI isn't perfect, it is a great tool but nothing more then that. It isn't a tell all number by any means Wiz

I think his point is, and its something I've said, is that winning and losing don't matter enough in the RPI...you merely get rewarded if you play a good schedule, mainly on the road which WIS allows you to manipulate by giving you the opportunity to schedule 10 non-con road games.