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Is there a reason that Tryout Camps for Undrafted Free Agents only list pitchers, not position players? It would be great if we could fill our rosters with some position players from these camps too...Thoughts?
1/16/2010 1:58 PM
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Tryout camp was originally introduced to HBD back in the days when there were severe pitcher fatigue problems. People were running out of healthy arms on their minor league rosters. There was no need (at that time) to include position players.

Now, as many worlds are in season 14 and 15, there's a severe lack of minor league position players available to fill out MiL rosters due to minor league player retirements. So it's probably time to incorporate them into tryout camp.
1/16/2010 2:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/16/2010
Tryout camp was originally introduced to HBD back in the days when there were severe pitcher fatigue problems. People were running out of healthy arms on their minor league rosters. There was no need (at that time) to include position players.

Now, as many worlds are in season 14 and 15, there's a severe lack of minor league position players available to fill out MiL rosters due to owner neglect/mismanagement. So it's probably time for WifS to bail out the dumbasses who don't sign their draft picks or sign the cheap IFA rather than let the over prospect money go to waste.



Yeah, I agree with your last sentence.
1/16/2010 2:21 PM
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I'm not sure that I agree completely with the words you're trying to put in my mouth.

Of my three worlds (one public, two private/elite), care to guess which is the only one that has MiL position players available on the FA list?

I'll agree that there are too many dumbasses who don't sign the low round draft picks or the cheap crappy IFA's. But I also think that there's a real problem with unsigned MiL free agents retiring at a rate higher than can be replaced. That doesn't manifest itself with pitchers because of the availability of tryout camp arms.
1/16/2010 2:27 PM
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Well, unless something has changed in the last 3-4 months, owners in all worlds don't sign position players drafted late or IFA who are nothing more than minor league fodder. These same owners will let 5m in prospect money get wasted because they missed on the final IFA. We, the owners of HBD, have the ability to fix the "problem". We don't. Plain and simple.
1/16/2010 2:29 PM
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You know I think MG is the best world out there. 15 unsigned IFA position players. Without checking, I can guarantee that someone out there could sign every last one of them.
1/16/2010 2:32 PM
tecwrg
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That's part of the problem. It's not the only cause of the problem.
1/16/2010 3:35 PM
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Ive found a handful of pitchers in the tryout camp that were significantly better than 1/4th of my draft picks. ( Could be poor scouting, but Im still learning.. )


So if the same were to bode for position players, I'd give it a shot.
1/16/2010 5:24 PM
tecwrg
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Tryout camp is not intended to be a replacement for the draft. It's mean to augment the draft and IFA. You should not be finding anybody of value in tryout camp. Just warm bodies.
1/16/2010 5:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/16/2010
That's part of the problem. It's not the only cause of the problem.

True. There is also the third part of the problem, which is owners not bothering to promote minor leaguers pre-rollover and having massive numbers of retirees. Voila! The minor league mismanagement trifecta!
1/16/2010 6:06 PM
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Yep, that's part of it too.

My problem with minor league retirements is not the guys who are retiring because they're not promoted. It's the guys who are six year minor league guys who choose to retire upon rollover rather than become FA's. That's what's depleting the FA pool.

I say . . . let these guys stick around, at least for some period of time, just so they can be warm-body roster filler. Set a target, maybe 30 years old or so, before they will retire.
1/16/2010 6:36 PM
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Seriously, tec, it's an owner problem. We have the tools to rectify the situation. We just don't do it.
1/16/2010 7:25 PM
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You say (I think) that it's 100% an owner problem.

I say it's 80% (or so) an owner problem, with the rest being a retirement problem.

Even if we were to agree that it was all (100%) on the owners . . . how do you fix it? To fix it across all of HBD, you would need a 32 *~160 commitment of owners to do the right thing (sign draft picks, drain the IFA budget at the end of the season, etc.). Seeing that we can't even get enough people to do it in worlds like MG and Coop, two of the most elite worlds, how can you expect that this is a problem that can be solved without a gimmick like TC position players?
1/16/2010 7:51 PM
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Here's a thought I'll throw out: have simmy autosign all draft picks from rounds 10 and later who are asking for slot money.

Maybe that's a start.
1/16/2010 8:17 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 1/16/2010Seriously, tec, it's an owner problem.  We have the tools to rectify the situation.   We just don't do it. 

Wouldn't getting rid of the tools rectify the problem?
1/16/2010 8:57 PM
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