need help with waives/release/desginate Topic

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if i want to waive a player with a big 4 year contract, how can i get it so that if someone claims him they are responsible for years 2, 3, and 4 (obviously Im on the hook for this year if i waiver him). this player has options still but is 34, is there a way to get rid of him, im confident someone will claim him, but i dont want to waive/release/desginate him if im going to be on the hook for his salary anyway.
any help?
3/1/2010 5:28 PM
MikeT23
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Waive him.
3/1/2010 5:30 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ericwoody on 3/01/2010if i want to waive a player with a big 4 year contract, how can i get it so that if someone claims him they are responsible for years 2, 3, and 4 (obviously Im on the hook for this year if i waiver him). this player has options still but is 34, is there a way to get rid of him, im confident someone will claim him, but i dont want to waive/release/desginate him if im going to be on the hook for his salary anyway.
any help
If he's claimed, the claiming team pays the rest of this season's contract as well (if you're in the middle of your season).

Don't be so sure that he'll be claimed. If it's a "big 4 year contract", people might shy away from the commitment. Especially if he's 34. They might be more inclined to trade for him.

Plus, if he's as good as you think he is (since you're sure he'll be claimed), why are you not looking to trade him and get value in return instead of just taking his contract off your books?
3/1/2010 5:41 PM
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Or "waive him".
3/1/2010 5:54 PM
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1. If you WAIVE him, and someone else claims him (pre-trade deadline), that person assumes the remainder of his contract.

2. If you RELEASE him, you are still on the hook for the balance of the contract less the ML minimum (but you free up a spot on the 40-man if someone picks him up)

3. If you WAIVE him (post-trade deadline) and you put him on irrevocable waivers, it's the same as point #1. Some might claim him just to keep someone else from getting him, so it's a good chance to unload the salary

4. If you WAIVE him (post-trade deadline) and you put him on revocable waivers, he will be pulled off of waivers if he is claimed, and you can trade that player ONLY to the team who claimed him.
3/1/2010 8:40 PM
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i under stood all the things said already, i have tried to trade him and cant get any buyers to give up prospects and im in rebuild mode completely.

my problem here that i need help with is he has optinos , so i am not allowed to waive him, if i designate him and he is claimed do i have to pay his contract for suqsequent years?

thanks
3/1/2010 8:54 PM
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you will not be able to designate him if he has option years . Your best hope is to wait until after the trade deadline and then waive him (without placing him on reversable waivers if you really want to be rid of him). Or trade him for someone you can waive who you think has enough value to be taken off the waiver wire.

If you release him you are stuck with the salary
3/1/2010 9:08 PM
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If he has options , you can demote him and then waive him. If he's claimed, see Todd's #1 above.

But if nobody was willing to trade for him, it's likely that nobody will be willing to claim him either. You may be stuck with his contract for the duration.
3/1/2010 9:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 3/01/2010
If he has options , you can demote him and then waive him. If he's claimed, see Todd's #1 above.

But if nobody was willing to trade for him, it's likely that nobody will be willing to claim him either. You may be stuck with his contract for the duration.

Don't demote, then waive him. If nothing else, you run the risk of having him take a ratings hit that convinces someone *not* to claim him.

If you just want to be rid of him, without paying his coming years, designate him for assignment, with waivers. That gets him on the WW at his current ratings. Also, mention the fact that he's on the WW in your World Chat, since the owner who might find him useful might be one of those who isn't very attentive to the WW mid-season.

If someone claims him, you're off the hook entirely (for the remainder of this season and any future seasons). If no one wants him for free (talent-wise) then once he clears waivers, stick him in AAA and start offering to foot some of the bill on this year's $$ in order to clear him from your payroll in future seasons.

Just don't release him.
3/1/2010 9:41 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 3/01/2010
you will not be able to designate him if he has option years . Your best hope is to wait until after the trade deadline and then waive him (without placing him on reversable waivers if you really want to be rid of him). Or trade him for someone you can waive who you think has enough value to be taken off the waiver wire.

If you release him you are stuck with the salary

I just went and tried to designate one of my players for assigbnment (prior to transaction deadline) and got no sort of error message whatsoever. When I tried to just waive him, I was told that he "still has option years remaining. There is no need to waive this player."
3/1/2010 9:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By ericwoody on 3/01/2010
i under stood all the things said already, i have tried to trade him and cant get any buyers to give up prospects and im in rebuild mode completely.

my problem here that i need help with is he has optinos , so i am not allowed to waive him, if i designate him and he is claimed do i have to pay his contract for suqsequent years?

thanks



No, you do not. This is what you should do.
3/1/2010 9:43 PM
zbrent716
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/01/2010Or "waive him"
Not an option (before the transaction deadline) for a player with options remaining.
3/1/2010 9:44 PM
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Yes, it actually is.

Demote him, waive him.

It's fairly obvious that woody wants to be rid of this guy. He can deal with the possible demotion loss of a point here or there.

Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.
3/2/2010 5:51 AM
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Ah, ok. Missed the demote part in your two and three word responses. Your attempts at brevity actually made you give an incomplete answer.

Tec's answer was "better" on this one, though I still disagree with it as the right way to do it. In this instance, there is no reason to demote and waive instead of designate (with waivers).
3/2/2010 12:00 PM
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No, it really didn't make me give an incomplete answer.

His extended explanation of the situation asked how to remove a player from his roster without being on the hook for any of his remaining contract. The answer is simply "waive him".

You have to read the question. I provided the correct answer to the question.
3/2/2010 12:48 PM
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