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Interesting to say the least! Not a complaint, but just asking...why so many AAA players if you're only going to use 1? Did I miss something? Also...what level AAA will be available? I'm sure I'll have a few more questions. Thanks!

Good question mensu- forgot to add it when i transferred it over from paper. It will be WAA AAA, and everyone will get the same AAA so no one will get an unfair advantage on the draw. The reason why i wanted 60 rather than a lower number, because I thought it would give people way more choices on what they needed. 60 gives you almost 5 per postion i think so rather than get screwed if you wanted a catcher, you would at least have 5 choices to take the best one. Hope that explains my thought process.

Also, if anyone else has questions about the league, feel free to ask, and i will give you an awnser as best I can.

Is this a draft league?

No it is not a draft league.

Thanks for considering me for your league. I must say I just can't understand the need or purpose of roto rankings points. If we all have 120 mill what is the purpose of this? It seems like a strange and arbitrary way to award bonus wins.

It makes it different than your regular league. If you want to look at a successful league that sorta does this, look up USA Federation league, which is in its 17th season and one of the best LIVE leagues out there.

The roto rankings make it a strategy drafting so all the cookies out there can't just be taken. So it makes the league more interesting than wins and losses, because who you draft matters even more.

No problem I guess I just prefer leagues where the entire object is to only win games. i'm going to pass and give my spot to a wait lister. Thanks for considering me.

I am sure that you will not get Simmers to play live. Frankly, you know my situation, I would not play the games Live.

The "Roto" scoring is just gonna make eveyone choose the top guy every decade instead of who they want....

Bastan -

Just my opinion, of course. There are two flaws in this league, both of which skew this completely in favor of the live contigent.

The roto scoring is the obvious flaw in your league. The live players have complete control over whether players steal or not. If you're playing live, and you're up or down by 4-5 runs, just start stealing everyone, pick up bonus points for your roto points.

That is cancelled out if you put all the sim guys in one league, and all the live in another, so they aren't competing against each other. You don't mention that in the rules, though, and it doesn't make sense for a competition of sim vs live (you want both to be competing for the same titles, I would expect 2 of each in each division). Of course, that would meanthat exactly half your games would be non-live, so the 138 implies that the leagues would be separated. What's the point in that? How does that prove anything about how live vs sim match up?

Of course, the live play is open to collusion as well. Assuming that you had some live guys who were willing to agree to throw crappy pitchers at each other for some games, they could both save their top starters to go against the regular sim players. That ensures that they play each other levelly, and then they can both have better chances to beat the sim players.

And other collusion as well... If I'm playing live against someone, and I know that he has a player in 1885-1910 that he's trying to get to the top, I can tell him that I won't hold his stud on, if he doesn't hold on my stud from 2000-2010.

And, of course, live players have complete control of resting pitchers and using pitchers as PH. They can manipulate the fatigue quite nicely compared to the non-live players.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Live play doesn't mix with regular sim play very well. The live players have too much of an advantage, and an opportunity for cheating and/or collusion. I'm not accusing any player of cheating, but i am saying that the opportunity is there.

Thanks for offering me an invite, but even for free, I'm unwilling to play when the rules are this skewed against me. You can give my spot to the waitlist.

Len

Biglenr- This is why the league will work if you just give it a chance.

1. The 12 LIVE guys will be in the NL, while the SIM guys would be in the AL. It would still be LIVE vs. SIM because we are doing the standings from the whole league rather than divisions. I take the top 8 teams regardless of league and divisions.

2. I can assure you the guys that I selected for this league would not be in "collusion" to gain a fair advantage. These are respectable guys that think the league would be fun to play again, not "let's cheat and try to win.

3. Roto system- If I can steal as much as I want, that is only one player in that one decade. So if you have a bench player, while I have a starting catcher in our decade it would be compared while my bench guy could be against your starting CF. It still would work out evenly. LIVE may have these so-called advantages, but I don't think they do. We have more control over our team, but does that really mean we automatically win? No. I actually think that it will be fairly matched and show in the standings and playoffs.

Quote: Originally Posted By Disco Dogs on 6/04/2010The "Roto" scoring is just gonna make eveyone choose the top guy every decade instead of who they want...

No it won't because if I pick a bench player because I know everyone will pick RUTH, then I pick a huge batter in another era while I know everyone will use a bench spot on it, then I would still get 24 points but might have less competition for those 24 points.

Quote: Originally Posted By BastanRedsox on 6/04/2010
Biglenr- This is why the league will work if you just give it a chance.

1. The 12 LIVE guys will be in the NL, while the SIM guys would be in the AL. It would still be LIVE vs. SIM because we are doing the standings from the whole league rather than divisions. I take the top 8 teams regardless of league and divisions.

Right there is where it falls down. You'll have 6-8 live guys in the playoffs because of the skewing the roto scoring gives to live play.

I am not calling anyone a cheater/colluder. But I prefer that the opportunity not be there for someone to use.

Just not for me. Enjoy.