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Since team's fortunes change very rapidly sometimes, when you set your budget, you should be able to alter all of the categories by the full amount, not just a few million at a time.  you might not need much of a high school scouting budget one year, but need it to be a lot higher the next.  This is especially true when you are picking up a team from a different owner.  Their style of GM might be completely different than yours.   It should not have to take 3 or 4 seasons to get the categories where you want them to be.
7/7/2010 1:26 PM
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One can argue that one of the challenges of the game is to prevent your team's fortunes from changing very rapidly, and that working within the constraints of limited budget alterations from season to season should be part of the challenge for running your franchise.
7/7/2010 2:26 PM
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One could argue that but one would be wrong.   The current system dooms teams to a few seasons of mediocrity or worse by restricting budget changes to scouting, training and medical while allowing massive overhauls to payroll, coaching and prospect.   You can even change those three in season with transfers and/or cash in trade.    Why one and not the other?
7/7/2010 3:01 PM
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When did you become ObamaT23?
7/7/2010 3:28 PM
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I'm curious to know why I could make a 100m change in payroll but not a 5m change in HS scouting.   Where's the logic?
7/7/2010 3:44 PM
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Yup
7/7/2010 3:50 PM
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Being able to change rapidly would just lead to goofy abuses. One year I would set amateur scouting to 0 and intentionally draft a "probably won't sign guy" 1st round. The next year with my two picks I would bump scouting up to 20.

In real life, it takes time to build up a scouting network. Since "budget" in HBD is a proxy for "effectiveness," then it must take time to increase the budget in something like scouting. Likewise, medical/training staffs take time to put together and get running properly.
7/10/2010 12:08 AM
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There's also the bumping of advanced scouting from 0 to 20 back to 0 issue.  That would be a hoot if it were allowed to happen.
7/10/2010 12:15 AM
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Yet I can go from 15m in payroll to 115m in a single season.   And I can accept 5m in trade dozens of times.  Makes no sense.   Budgeting is broken.
7/10/2010 7:44 AM
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Yes, but those are more realistic and not as problematic. There are teams (Marlins) that increase or decrease payroll fairly drastically. Not quite as drastically as is possible in HBD, but it still happens.
7/10/2010 9:37 AM
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The only "problematic" one is ADV.   There is absolutely no reason a team couldn't hire all the best trainers, doctors, HS/College/IFA scouts during the off-season.  No reason whatsoever.   And none of those has an effect on any team but their team. 

As I said, budgeting is broken.
7/10/2010 10:50 AM
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how about you can set the budget to whatever you want your first year, but are then bound to the +/-4 restrictions in all subsequent years?
7/10/2010 11:37 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/10/2010 10:50:00 AM (view original):
The only "problematic" one is ADV.   There is absolutely no reason a team couldn't hire all the best trainers, doctors, HS/College/IFA scouts during the off-season.  No reason whatsoever.   And none of those has an effect on any team but their team. 

As I said, budgeting is broken.
No reason except that many of them would be already employed for the upcoming season, it would take time to get the right system in place, take time for people to gel and work best together, etc. A top sports doctor might be reluctant to come into an organization with a terrible reputation in that area. A top trainer might be reluctant to go to an organization known for not caring about its strength and conditioning program until he sees a couple of other people join up and sees evidence that he culture is changing. Come on man, don't you run a business? You know that, even with the right budget, you can't just snap your fingers and have the "best" of whatever right away. Granted, it would probably be faster than the 5 years it takes to go from 0 to 20, but not much faster. Even Belicheck took two years to turn around the Patriots. Since Scouting Budget in HBD doesn't really mean "scouting budget" it means, "scouting effectiveness," it's realistic for it to take a few years to increase it. I think +/- 5 or 6M would be okay, but 20M swings would be ridiculous and unrealistic and not add anything to the game.
7/10/2010 2:01 PM
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As you know, we don't actually hire trainers, doctors and scouts.  We just set budgets.   If I can increase my payroll x5 in one season, it's entirely illogical that it should take me 5 seasons to drastically change my HS scouting.

Budgeting is broken.   It needs to be changed.  I don't really care if you(or the powers that be) want to restrict me to 4m per season.  Just do the same with payroll and prospect.  Set it for 20% increase/decrease each season.

7/10/2010 5:54 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/10/2010 5:54:00 PM (view original):

As you know, we don't actually hire trainers, doctors and scouts.  We just set budgets.   If I can increase my payroll x5 in one season, it's entirely illogical that it should take me 5 seasons to drastically change my HS scouting.

Budgeting is broken.   It needs to be changed.  I don't really care if you(or the powers that be) want to restrict me to 4m per season.  Just do the same with payroll and prospect.  Set it for 20% increase/decrease each season.

I disagree. Since payroll in HBD is actually equivalent to payroll in real life, it's realistic that it can be changed drastically from year to year. Increasing your payroll doesn't automatically mean you have a better team; it means you have more money to spend on players. Increasing scouting budget automatically means you have better scouting. If we (god forbid) had to hire individual trainers, doctors, scouts, etc., it would be reasonable to allow big swings in those budgets.

What do you think is broken about budgeting? I think there's a fairly logical reason for not allowing huge swings in scouting/training/medical budgets. What's the reason for not allowing big increases or decreases in payroll?
7/10/2010 6:13 PM
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