I was recently leading a game 5-2 going into the 7th.  I have a Setup A guy set to come in 8th inning, with 15/20 PC and 2 pull setting.

I have a Closer A and Closer B, both set to come in 9th inning, 15/25 PC and 2 pull setting.

ALL were at 100% and available.

So with a 5-2 lead and 2 outs in the 7th, Sparky brings in my Closer A instead of my Setup A (problem #1).  I know neither were set for the 7th inning, but logic should dictate the Setup guy comes in first.

Then, after getting the final out of the 7th, my Closer A is left in to give up 8 runs in the 8th, for a total of 30 pitches...both his pull setting and pitch count should NOT have allowed that.  My Closer B was FINALLY brought in for the final out of the 8th.

I sitemailed Admin, but hopefully I'm not the only one who sees a problem with this.

yeah. that's stupid. i'll bet dollars to doughnuts that the cs response will at some point include the phrase "this will never happen."

Ahhh.....more info than you gave in WC.  When no one fits the situation (neither the setup pitchers or closers were available for the 7th), Sparky goes with the best available pitcher when a change is necessary. 

Same thing in the 8th.  There was no one technically 'available' to come in (Closer B was set for the 9th), so as long as your pitcher didn't hit MPC, he was left out there.  My guess is that he went into that last at bat with less than 25 pitches.

jv...ya, I looked at the boxscore again. I corrected it in WC though.  My point is, a guy with a pull setting of 2 should not be left in to give up 8 runs in one inning.  And once the 8th rolled around, my Setup A guy was available.  So since my Closer A was no longer going to finish the game, Setup A should have pitched the 8th and then Closer B the 9th.   I understand if no one's available in the 7th...but he still shouldn't have been left in for the 8th, especially to endure an 8 run beating.

If you're SetupA was available for the 8th, you're right.

2 is a pretty low setting.   Did runs 6-8 come on one hit?

Yes, 3-run bomb. 

There you go.  In my experience, a low setting will allow a pitcher to be picked apart for 5 runs.   When he gives up the 6th, he'll get the hook.   He just happened to give up 7 and 8 at the same time.

That's a pitfall of a sim.   Obviously, in the real world, a guy getting smoked gets replaced.   But, because we like our closers to pitch themselves out of jams(because we don't have a better pitcher), we set the pull really low.   So, even when he's getting jacked, he stays in. 

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Posted by Jtpsops on 8/5/2010 9:36:00 PM (view original):
I was recently leading a game 5-2 going into the 7th.  I have a Setup A guy set to come in 8th inning, with 15/20 PC and 2 pull setting.

I have a Closer A and Closer B, both set to come in 9th inning, 15/25 PC and 2 pull setting.

ALL were at 100% and available.

So with a 5-2 lead and 2 outs in the 7th, Sparky brings in my Closer A instead of my Setup A (problem #1).  I know neither were set for the 7th inning, but logic should dictate the Setup guy comes in first.

Then, after getting the final out of the 7th, my Closer A is left in to give up 8 runs in the 8th, for a total of 30 pitches...both his pull setting and pitch count should NOT have allowed that.  My Closer B was FINALLY brought in for the final out of the 8th.

I sitemailed Admin, but hopefully I'm not the only one who sees a problem with this.

(1) Since noone was available for the 7th (and why you have three relievers only set to the 8th inning or later is beyond me), Sparky had to break the rules, if you will, and therefore chose the best of the three guys (your Closer A).

(2) As previously said, with the last 3 runs coming on a 3 run home run, your low pull rating of 2 probably did work right.

(3) Sparky will never pull a pitcher during a batter. Thus even the Max PC can be violated. I would assume this was a situation where the last guy your pitcher faced may have had one of those 10+ pitch at-bats.

Still doesn't explain why my Setup A guy didn't start the 8th.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/6/2010 9:50:00 AM (view original):



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The game isn't going to make a move just because one is now available . At that point you had a superior reliever in the game, under his PC setting, the game isn't just going to put in your Setup A guy in to start the inning because he's available if there's no other reason to make the move.

Posted by Jtpsops on 8/6/2010 10:51:00 AM (view original):
Still doesn't explain why my Setup A guy didn't start the 8th.

That would be because Closer A never met his criteria for being pulled. He's already in and finished of the last inning fine. No reason to pull him until he meets the criteria you have set (TPC/MPC and Pull Rating).