engine...

One of the larger things I've  noticed 2 seasons in, is that you're seeing lots of guys , even at d-I with say 45 ath, 25 Per, shooting 33% from 3 with a decent sample size. 

The better rated players seem about right from 3(anywhere from high to low 40's in shooting %), but when a guy with a 27 PER is hitting 1/3 of 3's, rather consistently, it's a bit unrealistic.

fg% in general is warped

Posted by grantduck on 9/5/2010 6:25:00 AM (view original):
engine...

One of the larger things I've  noticed 2 seasons in, is that you're seeing lots of guys , even at d-I with say 45 ath, 25 Per, shooting 33% from 3 with a decent sample size. 

The better rated players seem about right from 3(anywhere from high to low 40's in shooting %), but when a guy with a 27 PER is hitting 1/3 of 3's, rather consistently, it's a bit unrealistic.

+100!  Abso-f'n-lutely  I've noticed the exact same thing.  I'm tired of C/PF with PE of ~30 going a combined 3/7 on me in seemingly every game. 

If a C or PF has a PE of 30 and you don't have a + defense they should be shooting 3/7 on you every game.  30 perimeter means they can shoot it some, and in my mind a - or neutral defense is likely leaving the bigs fairly open if they step out.  You should get the rebounds on all of those misses, though...

I thought when the engine first rolled out the 3 point shooting was way off, I don't think that anymore however, seems fine to me.

Posted by jdno on 9/5/2010 10:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 9/5/2010 6:25:00 AM (view original):
engine...

One of the larger things I've  noticed 2 seasons in, is that you're seeing lots of guys , even at d-I with say 45 ath, 25 Per, shooting 33% from 3 with a decent sample size. 

The better rated players seem about right from 3(anywhere from high to low 40's in shooting %), but when a guy with a 27 PER is hitting 1/3 of 3's, rather consistently, it's a bit unrealistic.

+100!  Abso-f'n-lutely  I've noticed the exact same thing.  I'm tired of C/PF with PE of ~30 going a combined 3/7 on me in seemingly every game. 

amn
Send tickets to seble.  I ***** about this one all the time.

Posted by mccabemi on 9/5/2010 7:21:00 AM (view original):
fg% in general is warped

Yup. Over 50% shooting should not be the norm.

shooting percentage is a bit high agreed. this might be caused by old recruits still in the engine. 25 and 30 PE isnt as bad as it used to be.

Posted by jetwildcat on 9/5/2010 4:12:00 PM (view original):
shooting percentage is a bit high agreed. this might be caused by old recruits still in the engine. 25 and 30 PE isnt as bad as it used to be.

+1
I think we need to see a full season of 4 years of new recruits before judging.  

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/5/2010 1:13:00 PM (view original):
If a C or PF has a PE of 30 and you don't have a + defense they should be shooting 3/7 on you every game.  30 perimeter means they can shoot it some, and in my mind a - or neutral defense is likely leaving the bigs fairly open if they step out.  You should get the rebounds on all of those misses, though...

I think that is a pretty unique perspective. I totally disagree that a big man with 30 per should be able to shoot consistently well from 3p range.

So you think Matt Bonner and Troy Murphy are actually better three point shooters than the average NBA guard?  They both shot around 45% from three last year on reasonably large sample sizes, better than most teams' starting SGs.  You don't think that in practice the SGs are better 3-point shooters?  Even dramatically better?  The fact is that a standard defensive positioning gives big men fairly open or even totally open 3s when they want to shoot them.  I certainly don't think Bonner would get a perimeter rating much better than 30 or 35, he looks awkward as hell and misses a lot of wide open ones.  But they're all wide open.

Totally disagree. Yes, Murphy and Bonner are good examples of forwards who are excellent three-points shooters. Not just good compared to other guys their size, but good compared to anyone. You don't shoot 40% from 3p in the NBA on a good # of attempts unless that is the case.

bonner is a legit 3pt shooter

Posted by dahsdebater on 9/5/2010 1:13:00 PM (view original):
If a C or PF has a PE of 30 and you don't have a + defense they should be shooting 3/7 on you every game.  30 perimeter means they can shoot it some, and in my mind a - or neutral defense is likely leaving the bigs fairly open if they step out.  You should get the rebounds on all of those misses, though...

this is just totally illogical.  What should a guard with a PE of 80 be shooting under this logic?  6/6?  7/9?  Where's the balance here with this line of thinking.  A big man with a PE of 30 should be hitting 25% at absolute best over the course of the season if a PE of 80 or 90 is able to hit ~40%

jdno you completely missed his point. His logic is actually pretty sound. He's saying big men aren't used to defending out to the 3 point line, so if you have big men who step out especially against a minus defense most of their attempts should be wide open, while that won't be the case for a guard because guards are accustomed to guarding all over the court.