New manager setting for pitchers Topic

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I would like a manager setting similar to player rest but for pitchers. I would like to be able to remove my starter in a blowout win instead of having him pitch to his pitch count. The setting could be "If winning by X number of runs in the Xth inning or greater then pull starter"
10/8/2010 11:45 AM
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Would that be so you could bring him back for his next start earlier?

Because, if that's the case, it doesn't happen in MLB.
10/8/2010 11:48 AM
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Sure it does. Especially in the playoffs.
10/8/2010 12:57 PM
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So you're asking for this in the playoffs only?

And, FWIW, the last manager I recall doing it was Piniella with Zambrano.    Didn't work out very well and pretty much any other manager would have been fired.
10/8/2010 3:01 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/8/2010 3:01:00 PM (view original):
So you're asking for this in the playoffs only?

And, FWIW, the last manager I recall doing it was Piniella with Zambrano.    Didn't work out very well and pretty much any other manager would have been fired.
The Cubs weren't winning that game.  Or maybe they were, but it certainly wasn't a blowout.  I kind of see this guy's point but I also think there are so few times when this comes into play that it isn't really worth WIS's time.
10/8/2010 4:08 PM
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Yes, they were winning.   Zambrano was pulled so he'd be fresher for the game that didn't happen.

10/8/2010 4:36 PM
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MLB players also don't have stamina meters that let you know how well rested they are. If they did, maybe you'd see it more often. Also, players used to be a part of 3 and 4 man rotations. Just because they aren't today, doesn't mean they aren't capable of doing it. One last point, Mike, don't you always say what works in RL doesn't always work for HBD or something along those lines?
10/10/2010 1:22 AM
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Yes, I say something along those lines.   I this case, it would be "gaming" the system to use players in a manner that's not consistent with baseball at any level above Little League.   Sometime RL doesn't translate to HBD and sometimes it does.    I really wouldn't object to this suggestion, it's really no different that the "Rest players if winning by...", but, somehow, pitching seems different.    You see managers get players off the field during blowouts but they never pull a pitcher until he gets near his PC when his team is crushing the opponent.    As an aside, this would start the inevitable "My pitcher had a no-hitter in the 6th when we were winning by 12 and he was 48 pitches from his max PC when Simmy pulled him.  That's just stupid!!" thread.
10/11/2010 2:12 PM
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Valid points.
10/11/2010 3:57 PM
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This would be a fine example of this not happening in MLB.  Yanks beating up on Texas in 5.   CC pitching.   Wouldn't it be nice to have CC available for 3-4 innings on Saturday if needed?  Bet Girardi doesn't pull him to make it happen.
10/20/2010 6:08 PM
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Nope.  Threw 30+ pitches in the 6th.   Guess Girardi figured he'd worry about game 7 when it came along.
10/20/2010 6:41 PM
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Just how selective is your memory, Mike?

Think all the way back to Monday, in this same series. Cliff Lee was pulled after 8 innings when Texas broke the game open in the top of the 9th. Washington confirmed after the game that Lee was finishing the game if it had stayed 2-0. It didn't, it turned into a blowout, and so the SP was pulled.

10/20/2010 11:15 PM
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Posted by boogerlips on 10/12/2010 2:12:00 AM (view original):
The 1-5 pull setting has the logic the original poster wanted built into it. If you have a high pull setting, pitchers can be taken out in blowout wins. The risk though is they will be pulled when they get hit early, even though they might be your best pitcher. They could separate the logic I guess, but I don't think the benefits outweigh the cost of having another set of settings to set.
And I've never heard this to be the case, nor read anything from WhatIf to suggest that it is. Is there a dev chat or ticket you can reference?
10/20/2010 11:17 PM
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Posted by zbrent716 on 10/20/2010 11:15:00 PM (view original):

Just how selective is your memory, Mike?

Think all the way back to Monday, in this same series. Cliff Lee was pulled after 8 innings when Texas broke the game open in the top of the 9th. Washington confirmed after the game that Lee was finishing the game if it had stayed 2-0. It didn't, it turned into a blowout, and so the SP was pulled.

Cliff Lee wasn't being pulled so he could come back early.   8 innings is a lot of innings from a SP.   Please apply your logic to the point of the thread.
10/21/2010 7:15 AM
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