What's with all the walkons in Allen D3? Topic

Was there a promo out there that I missed???  Either way, something seems to be wrong in Allen.

Quick backstory:  I scheduled a bunch of "semi-competitive" Sim AI schools for my non-conference schedule since my team this season was not going to have any seniors.  Ended up scheduling 7 SIM AI teams in total.  Was really surprised when I got the schedule for this season and saw that I was facing 10 human coached teams.  That seemed to be really odd.  And then after recruiting finalized I noticed that almost all of them didn't sign a player.  Finally, I noticed today that my conference mate is going up against a team tonight that features 11 walk on players.  That really seemed wrong so I looked at the data in the world.

To my knowledge, this part of the FAQ is still correct:

Q: Can my assistant coach sign recruits for me?
A: Yes and no. If you have not made any recruiting efforts for the current recruiting period and have more than 3 scholarships open, the assistant coach will fill all but 2 of the open scholarships (maximum of 5 signings). This is by design to assist coaches who were out of town during recruiting and to address schools which have been abandoned.

However, that does not seem to be happening.

There are currently 56 new teams in Allen that took all walkons for their openings and took over a team that was Sim AI last season.  I realize that the last 10 teams should not have had any scholarships filled by the assistant coach since they only had 1-2 open spots.

Team Team URL Walkons
South Maine http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7591 11
Medaille http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7546 10
College of New Jersey http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7648 9
Delaware Valley http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7813 9
Franklin http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7564 9
Johns Hopkins http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7493 9
William Patterson http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7654 9
Alfred http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7537 8
Fairleigh Dickinson http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7816 8
Hilbert http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7740 8
Lake Forest http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7614 8
Muskingum http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7687 8
Ripon http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7617 8
U.S. Merchant Marines http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7738 8
Wisconsin, Oshkosh http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7791 8
Hanover http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7565 7
Plim http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7710 7
Randolph-Macon http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7701 7
Rowan http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7651 7
Springfield http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7716 7
Arcadia http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7706 6
Austin http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7465 6
Capital http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7682 6
Central http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7574 6
Dallas http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7775 6
Dickinson http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7489 6
Eureka http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7607 6
Hamline http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7626 6
Maryville, Saint Louis http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7721 6
Plattsburgh State http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7761 6
Texas, Tyler http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7747 6
Thomas More http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7572 6
Greensboro http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7841 5
Kalamazoo http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7602 5
Ovilet http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7603 5
Pittsburgh, Greenburg http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7807 5
Centenary http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7729 4
Chowan http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7838 4
Fontbonne http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7718 4
Hobart and William Smith http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7779 4
Marymount http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7481 4
New York City Tech http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7508 4
Adrian http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7597 3
Averett http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7837 3
Bard http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7512 3
East Texas Babtist http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7467 3
City College of New York http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7503 2
Hendrix http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7767 2
McDaniel http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7494 2
St. John's http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7629 2
Baruch http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7501 1
Brockport http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7753 1
Cabrini http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7707 1
California Tech http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7741 1
Washington & Lee http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7704 1
Waynesburg http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7567 1


In addition to that list, there are 11 additional teams that were human coached the season prior, had a change in coaches for this season but did not sign a recruit and took all walkons.

Team URL Walkons Seasons
Wabash http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Roster.aspx?tid=7664 9 1st season
George Fox http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7669 7 1st season
Rensselaer Poly http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7780 5 1st season
Rhode Island http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7590 5 1st season
Linfield http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7671 4 1st season
Widener http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Roster.aspx?tid=7812 4 1st season
Baldwin-Wallace http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7681 3 1st season
Buffalo State http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7754 3 1st season
Rhodes http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7769 3 1st season
Pittsburgh, Bradford http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7810 2 1st season
University of New England http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7531 2 1st season


And to be complete, here's the list of returning coaches that took all walkons as well.

Team URL Walkons Seasons
Milwaukee Engineering http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7521 5 2nd season, signed 5 previously
Carthage http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7514 3 2nd season, signed 5 previously
Babson http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7714 6 2nd season, signed 6 previously
Mississippi College http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7579 4 2nd season, signed 8 previously
Manchester http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7566 8 5th season, signed 4 last season
Tufts http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7640 1 7th season
Middlebury http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7638 6 26th season, no recruits past two season
West Connecticut State http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7592 3 28th season, signed 2 last season


Anybody have a clue as to what is happening here?
3/30/2011 1:56 PM
The returning coaches that recruited last season, but not this time, probably lost interest in the game.
3/30/2011 2:22 PM
True, but that doesn't explain all of the new coaches not signing anyone.
3/30/2011 2:29 PM
Posted by alblack56 on 3/30/2011 2:22:00 PM (view original):
The returning coaches that recruited last season, but not this time, probably lost interest in the game.
Agree, but shouldn't the assistant coach sign some players for them?
3/30/2011 2:57 PM
Also, IIRC there is supposed to be something for the new players that sign no recruits; the AC should do some recruiting even if the coaches put recruiting effort in.  Supposed to ease the newbies in when they are struggling.
3/30/2011 3:27 PM
Posted by _hannibal_ on 3/30/2011 3:27:00 PM (view original):
Also, IIRC there is supposed to be something for the new players that sign no recruits; the AC should do some recruiting even if the coaches put recruiting effort in.  Supposed to ease the newbies in when they are struggling.
If that's the case, then something's broken.
3/30/2011 4:08 PM

As I mentioned just now in our CC... I sent a ticket at the beginning of the season in Allen about this same thing... after 3 responses / insults to my 5 yr knowledge of the game... I simply realized I knew more about the game than the person I was speaking to... and they really didn't care or see a problem. Whatever filled Allen DIII,  filled it with people who either don't really exist... or simply don't care. The above post by KuJ only touches on the human coached teams with all walkons.... I can't see where most sim teams filled a scholly either.

CS basically told me that the engine wouldn't take a lousy recruit to sadle a program for 4 seasons with him... it was programmed to take W/O's instead.

LOL,,,, even the sim is too picky to take the horrid recruits generated by the engine right now.

PS. and BTW... this is NOT just an issue of the engine doing the "right thing" for the good of all as CS was trying to play this off as... I simply couldn't get them to even look at the depth of the issue.

I quickly decided this was a Seble problem and not a first level CS problem.... maybe tha answer will be found here... a ticket is NOT the answer.

3/30/2011 4:58 PM (edited)
I was told this wasn't a problem in Crum 3 seasons ago... the new update would work it out.
3/30/2011 4:58 PM
but scores... there was a real influx of supposed human coaches in Allen this season.... and most of them took NO recruits... this is different than the 4,5,and 6 W/O's stacking up that's been going on for 3 seasons.
3/30/2011 5:01 PM
I took two walkons, but that was an 'on purpose' and I did recruit three.  Trying to balance out my classes a bit.

3/30/2011 5:27 PM
Yea, something is definitely amiss.
3/30/2011 6:37 PM
It's brutal, both my last two opponents were supposed to be legit and a few other teams were supposed be much better. Therefore I'm 8-1 with a ****** RPI. My lone loss against powerhouse Ohio Northern, by 3 in the final minute. Like i expected some of these teams to be 6-3 and 7-2, not 3-6 and 0-9 like now I have to run show in conference to get an at large, i can't afford any more losses or upsets.
3/30/2011 6:51 PM
If everybody in D3 Allen starts sending tickets they should start to pay attention...  Just saying.
3/30/2011 8:00 PM

Is it weird for me to think you might almost end up with BETTER sim teams if the sim teams didn't expend any effort until later in the process?  Less times of getting on a player early and getting knocked off?

 

3/30/2011 9:41 PM
yep, this bites a big one.

     
3/30/2011 10:23 PM
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