Just an off night? Topic

Naaah, just bad coaching.

Seriously though, take out his two turd SIM recruits and he's only about 35 pts behind you in on-court rating.  Combine that with his IQ advantages, your below average outside shooters against his zone, and the fact that you went uptempo despite the IQ gap....and I'm not that surprised.  I'd bet you'd lose 70% of the time doing that.

Edit to say I meant to include he was the home team - even with a pretty modest C+ HCA, that's a lot stacked against you.

5/11/2011 4:36 PM (edited)
I thought I gameplanned poorly for this, yeah - but a few thoughts about your specifics:

IQ advantage was a third of a grade (A- vs B+) in his favor.  
I started a backcourt with PER of 88, 80, 59 against his 77, 99, 72 - and with strong ATH/SPD for my guards, I thought I was fine there.

The problems weren't on that end of the floor, anyway - it's more the fact that a Sim team shot .521 and drew 35 fouls against a team with an average ATH/SPD/DEF/IQ of 70/58/73/B+ that bothers me.  You're right about the uptempo, though, I might need to stay away from that this year.


My biggest problem, I think, was the stamina - my team has four starters below 75 ST, an average of 75, and that's just not good enough to press, especially when I left my 11th man off of the depth chart by accident.
5/11/2011 6:35 PM
Your starters definitely don't have the stamina for uptempo, and the one guy who does have the stamina has a pretty weak ath/sp/D combo for D1.
5/11/2011 7:08 PM
Posted by cornfused on 5/11/2011 6:35:00 PM (view original):
I thought I gameplanned poorly for this, yeah - but a few thoughts about your specifics:

IQ advantage was a third of a grade (A- vs B+) in his favor.  
I started a backcourt with PER of 88, 80, 59 against his 77, 99, 72 - and with strong ATH/SPD for my guards, I thought I was fine there.

The problems weren't on that end of the floor, anyway - it's more the fact that a Sim team shot .521 and drew 35 fouls against a team with an average ATH/SPD/DEF/IQ of 70/58/73/B+ that bothers me.  You're right about the uptempo, though, I might need to stay away from that this year.


My biggest problem, I think, was the stamina - my team has four starters below 75 ST, an average of 75, and that's just not good enough to press, especially when I left my 11th man off of the depth chart by accident.
You have to weight the IQs by minutes played to have a true measure.  And if you do that, your offensive IQ was just a bit below B+ and his defense was closer to an A than an A-.  So your actual IQ gap was much closer to 2/3rds of a grade than 1/3rd of a grade when you had the ball.  Given that is when your uptempo takes effect, you were pretty much forcing up shots against a defense that was more fundamentally sound than your offense.  That's a recipe for disaster.

On the defensive end, the minute-weighted gap was also more than 1/3rd, but closer to 1/3rd than 2/3rds.  But, as kmason said, your stamina is too low to play uptempo - especially with the FCP.  So on the defensive end where you might have been ok at normal tempo given your overall talent advantage, the fatigue factor killed you.  At almost every fatigue update in the box score you had 2-3 guys tired or worse.  They just got too damned tired to trap effectively.

And while 80 an 89 aren't terrible for shooters, they're not lights out guys and you can see it by their numbers:  Green is an 80 PER guy shooting .303 for his career from 3 and Stone is an 89 PER guy that shot .321 in his freshman year.  

I'd disagree that you have strong ATH/SPD for your guards - especially in the press.  Aside from Stone, your next best avg in Ath/Spd from your guards is 73 and all of those guys have either an Ath or Spd below 55.  You started a SF with 55 speed at the 2 spot and a PF with 55/64 ath/spd at the 3.  Its going to be tough playing the press with those guards this season...
5/11/2011 7:55 PM
not a fan of the three point tendency on your best big man. maybe in games where he plays a similar talent of an oponent would i shoot threes but against a guy with no speed i would've pounded that ball to him all day all night. also i'm not a fan of the super rebounding lineup your going for with the sf at sg. in this matchup the opponents sg is weak and you attacked it, but with the wrong guy. you should've moved the pg to sg and let him tee off. that is all.
5/11/2011 9:26 PM
Skunk, how does the second part of what you said make sense to you?  The opponent was running a zone.  You don't have to move your PG to SG; just give him a bunch of distro and he'll end up matched up against the SG ~50% of the time anyway...
5/11/2011 9:56 PM
I think you try to read too much into matchups against the zone... very hard to make that work.
5/11/2011 9:57 PM
I thought the zone averaged the defensive abilities of the individual players(Ath, speed, def, etc) and used that? So no need to switch the PG to SG unless you're doing it for defensive purposes
5/11/2011 10:15 PM
An exchange I had with CS a few months ago strongly implied the way I always thought it should work is in fact the way it does: the engine basically picks a defender from the appropriate line at random.  So against a 2-3 zone,  either of your guards has a fairly equal probability of going up against either of the opponents' guards on the floor at the same time.  Any of your big men can go up against any of their 3 bigs.  Or, more appropriately, anyone trying to score inside could run up against any of their bigs and anybody trying to score on the perimeter can come up against either of their guards.  I guess over time it would effectively average out the overall defensive ability a player was facing, but not on any given possession...  Reading over boxscores and looking for who commits fouls and blocks shots, it does appear that centers are more likely to be defended by centers than by PFs and more likely by PFs than SFs, but other than that it does appear to be fairly close to even money...
5/11/2011 10:54 PM
Cheez, I do weight by minutes played - my OIQ/DIQ was a 88.23/88.98 and his was a 92.1/92.4.
5/12/2011 2:07 AM
I'll have to check my math but wonder what you're using as your numbers for + grades vs - grades.  
5/12/2011 8:28 AM
What DO you guys use as numbers for various IQ grades?
5/12/2011 8:54 AM
Posted by 4green2 on 5/12/2011 8:54:00 AM (view original):
What DO you guys use as numbers for various IQ grades?
Honestly, I've never even considered doing something like that -- my eyes sort of bugged out when corn posted his 88.23 vs. 92.1 thing. I've never used any sort of formula or anything for HD, I just eyeball everything.
5/12/2011 8:59 AM
Corn, just checked and you're right.  I had cleared two rows and when I add then back I get almost the same numbers you have.

The way I do it is:  A+ = 1, A = 2, A- = 3, B+ = 4, etc, etc, etc.

That way you get an even spread between numbers.  If you try to do it with something like A+ = 98, A = 95, A- = 92, B+ = 88, etc, you can see what happens.  The distance between B+ and A- is 4 and the distance between all other 1/3 letter grades is 3.  In the grand scheme it doesn't matter much but I like to be more accurate where I can.

In this case I had corn's Off/Def IQ as 4.1/3.8 and Drake's as 2.9/2.8.  The gap being 1.3 for Corn's off vs Drake's def and 1.1 vice versa.  Just a little more than 1/3rd of a letter grade.
5/12/2011 10:39 AM
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