I've noticed a trend among the better teams in HD and it seems that in recruiting they sign the guards with 70-80+ speed and they also have decent per, passing, and/or bH. Every other stat is garbage...WE garbage ATH garbage RB garbage LP garbage. I know certain stats I named are more consequential for FC players but in the game of basketball there are BC players who can play in the post and well. My question is this.. Is there any benefit to having a guard that has 60+ ATH or 50+ LP and maybe 65+ speed? is there any love in HD for the strong guards who may not end up with 80+ speed but can shoot the ball, or can play down low? If I play someone with a bunch of 90+ speed guys in the back court is it a lost cause because speed is dominant with guards or will my guys play to their strengths and be competitive?

Depends on what offense/defense each team is running. Speed is very important in the fastbreak and flex for offense, and a must for the press on defense. That's not to say you shouldn't get fast guards in the other systems by any means, just more important in those (and facing those types of offense/defense for that matter, even if you run motion/man, if your guards are slow, you will turn the ball over against the press more)

An ideal D2 point guard in the press would look something like 55+ ath, 85+ speed, 60+ defense, 80+ ballhandling, 75+ passing.. but that's just what I would shoot for

Depends on the position too, spd is more important then ath for a pg, whereas in a sg/sf type they are much closer in importance. Typically I'd say no you aren't going to be able to get by with a slower pg against good teams.

It just seems to me that every good or even great 1 or 2 doesn't necessarily have to have 80+ speed. I can only name pro players and not that it would even matter since this is HD but I know HD lumps quickness into the speed category just as they lump strength into the athletic stat. Where can you find the median when all the stats are combined? I assume I have a strong guard if he has 60+ athleticism but it doesn't seem to factor in to the game as much as speed. From what I read speed has an effect on how well a shooter shoots the ball... I would think ATH would have some effect on that too. If ATH includes strength then it certainly has to include vertical leaping ability and even quickness in jumping. Maybe I'm reading too much into stats but these things are good to know when recruiting... had I known such things I would have recruited differently. 

Posted by rednation58 on 9/26/2011 3:14:00 PM (view original):
I've noticed a trend among the better teams in HD and it seems that in recruiting they sign the guards with 70-80+ speed and they also have decent per, passing, and/or bH. Every other stat is garbage...WE garbage ATH garbage RB garbage LP garbage. I know certain stats I named are more consequential for FC players but in the game of basketball there are BC players who can play in the post and well. My question is this.. Is there any benefit to having a guard that has 60+ ATH or 50+ LP and maybe 65+ speed? is there any love in HD for the strong guards who may not end up with 80+ speed but can shoot the ball, or can play down low? If I play someone with a bunch of 90+ speed guys in the back court is it a lost cause because speed is dominant with guards or will my guys play to their strengths and be competitive?

Definitely not true at least for the top five teams in d2 Knight.  ATH often higher than speed in starting guards/

I still believe ath influences more actions than any other ability. 

I believe ATH influences more actions too but it definitely plays more of a role for the bigs in HD. 

Posted by a_in_the_b on 9/27/2011 12:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rednation58 on 9/26/2011 3:14:00 PM (view original):
I've noticed a trend among the better teams in HD and it seems that in recruiting they sign the guards with 70-80+ speed and they also have decent per, passing, and/or bH. Every other stat is garbage...WE garbage ATH garbage RB garbage LP garbage. I know certain stats I named are more consequential for FC players but in the game of basketball there are BC players who can play in the post and well. My question is this.. Is there any benefit to having a guard that has 60+ ATH or 50+ LP and maybe 65+ speed? is there any love in HD for the strong guards who may not end up with 80+ speed but can shoot the ball, or can play down low? If I play someone with a bunch of 90+ speed guys in the back court is it a lost cause because speed is dominant with guards or will my guys play to their strengths and be competitive?

Definitely not true at least for the top five teams in d2 Knight.  ATH often higher than speed in starting guards/

I have to see this because it's not the case at all in Phelan. 

ANd for good measure, the top ten ranked teams in d1 knight. . .

DI is totally different than D2/D3 in this case, by virtue of the recruit generation that the top teams are dealing with. It's sort of inexplicably weighted towards ath and not as much sp as there should be for top guards.

Girt, its even true in a number of cases in d2 though.   5 with superior ath to speed,  many  others essentially equal in ath and speed.

(AMong top ten)

At any rate, there are a number of the types of players he asked if there was any love for.

CSU CHICO 

Guards Ath 56 Sp 98, ath 81 sp 86 ath 54 sp 93 freshman guard ath 53 sp 81 ... there is one guard with ath48 and sp 61... last years national champ

LANE 

Guards ath 57 sp 92 ath 35 sp 76 ath 32 sp 80 there are more guards with lower speed but I would think you only need a couple with 80+ speed anyway. Lane has also won many National titles.