New NT Selection Formula Topic

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Does NOT value SOS.

Team Name - Record - RPI - SOS
DI - In
Tennessee, Chattanooga (25-3) 64 225

DI - Out
California, Santa Barbara (21-8) ; 36 ; 64


DII - In

Caldwell (23-6) 79 188

DII - Out
Salem International (18-10) ; 59 ; 57


DIII - In
Ferrum (24-4) 73 301

DIII - Out
E. Mennonite (21-8) 55 61
 

Isn't this opposite what what we were told by Seble??

 

1/23/2012 3:53 PM (edited)
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mully, just curious, the schools you're showing us that are in with those RPIs didn't win their CTs did they? 
1/23/2012 3:59 PM
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ALso. . I think it still values SOS. . but not ALL sos.   Its not as "I played ten road games against inferior opponents and won" Sos dependent.  It almost has its own SOS which is separate from the RPI one built into it, as I perceive.



1/23/2012 4:26 PM
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It definitely values SOS. You used to be able to schedule 10 Sim teams on the road and easily make the NT with an over-inflated RPI. It's much, much harder to do that now (which is a good thing), as your Projection Report rating will typically lag 10's of spots behind your RPI if you do that.
1/23/2012 4:28 PM
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Why should it?  Counting SOS when you're already counting RPI, vs. top 25, vs. top 50, etc., would essentially count SOS twice (or more than twice). 
1/23/2012 5:47 PM
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Posted by ike1024 on 1/23/2012 5:47:00 PM (view original):
Why should it?  Counting SOS when you're already counting RPI, vs. top 25, vs. top 50, etc., would essentially count SOS twice (or more than twice). 
+1. SOS is reflected in rpi.
1/23/2012 5:52 PM
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Posted by professor17 on 1/23/2012 4:29:00 PM (view original):
It definitely values SOS. You used to be able to schedule 10 Sim teams on the road and easily make the NT with an over-inflated RPI. It's much, much harder to do that now (which is a good thing), as your Projection Report rating will typically lag 10's of spots behind your RPI if you do that.
So now they will schedule 10 SIM teams at home to get the wins instead??  I thought the new formula was suppposed to reward tough schedules.  (Isnt this why people were afraid that it would favor Big 6 schools even more??)

That doesnt seem to be the case at all.
1/23/2012 6:12 PM
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Posted by a_in_the_b on 1/23/2012 4:26:00 PM (view original):
ALso. . I think it still values SOS. . but not ALL sos.   Its not as "I played ten road games against inferior opponents and won" Sos dependent.  It almost has its own SOS which is separate from the RPI one built into it, as I perceive.



its record vs top 50 or top 100 that you are feeling. particularly, record vs top 50 is worth massively more than it was previously.
1/23/2012 6:50 PM
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What billy said.  Record versus 1-50 is huge.  And total wins is pulling more weight too.  I think it's acting like we were told, not less.  He didn't say it rewards tough schedules in and of itself.  Teams have to win some of those games hence the record versus 1-25, 1-50, 1-75, 1-100 being taken more into account.  As I've said a lot of times the difference between rpis 50-80 is very small--just like determining which 3rd grade players are less worse than the rest after taking out the 3 or 4 that are a little less worse than the masses.
1/23/2012 7:40 PM
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Won't this new evaluation really hurt teams from empty conferences?
1/23/2012 9:52 PM
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IN seeding.  But then again, in an empty conference, its most likely they can win the CT.

 

1/23/2012 9:56 PM
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Posted by mullycj on 1/23/2012 6:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by professor17 on 1/23/2012 4:29:00 PM (view original):
It definitely values SOS. You used to be able to schedule 10 Sim teams on the road and easily make the NT with an over-inflated RPI. It's much, much harder to do that now (which is a good thing), as your Projection Report rating will typically lag 10's of spots behind your RPI if you do that.
So now they will schedule 10 SIM teams at home to get the wins instead??  I thought the new formula was suppposed to reward tough schedules.  (Isnt this why people were afraid that it would favor Big 6 schools even more??)

That doesnt seem to be the case at all.
Haven't tried that (10 sims at home), so I can't speak to it first-hand, but I wouldn't expect so. From what I've seen, weak schedules seem to hurt much more than in the past. And I'm only talking D1 here, since that's all I  play. The stark demarcation between have-and-have not conferences there may amplify the effect compared to D2 and D3 where there's a more even playing field across the board. And at D1, from what I've seen, the Big 6 schools with a higher number of losses (say 8+) are generally being seeded significantly better than they were under the old formula, while the teams that go like 27-2 in an empty Ivy, for instance, are getting seeded worse than they were.
1/23/2012 10:28 PM (edited)
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Posted by oldresorter on 1/23/2012 9:52:00 PM (view original):
Won't this new evaluation really hurt teams from empty conferences?

Weak scheduling definitely hurts more than it did under the old system based on my personal experience. I've had a team #18 in RPI that was #51 in in the Projection Report; a team that was #28 in RPI at #57 in the Projection Report, and a team in the 60's in RPI that was 130-something in the Projection Report. All had .750+ winning percentages with weak schedules, and would have been rewarded with NT or PT bids (as reflected by RPI) under the old formula.

1/23/2012 10:23 PM
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Professor - this is exaclt my point in the original post.  Teams with the weaker schedules (+ wins) are getting the nod over teams with harder schedules.

Same story for all 3 divisions.
1/23/2012 11:18 PM
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Posted by mullycj on 1/23/2012 11:18:00 PM (view original):
Professor - this is exaclt my point in the original post.  Teams with the weaker schedules (+ wins) are getting the nod over teams with harder schedules.

Same story for all 3 divisions.
mully, i read his post several times, and yours, and i think he is saying the exact opposite of you
1/23/2012 11:26 PM
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