Targeting Dropdowns at DII Topic

mannytanner
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My first time recruiting in DII with my C prestige Johnson C Smith squad... I'm going to focus on Dropdowns so I'm targeting DI recruits within 300 miles and hoping for the backup message... my question is, should I only target those recruits who are not considering a school yet? Are they my best hope to sign? Signings start tomorrow at 6pm

So far i've only targeted recruits with no school listed under 'Considering' is it worth it to target some guys who list a SIM AI school? Or am I better off targeting the guys with nothing listed there.

Thanks in advance
2/23/2012 12:55 AM
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Check the "Word on the Street" to see if they're "tight" or a "high priority" with the schools they're considering.  Then check the usual things like prestige, distance (doesn't matter for players considering SIMS), # of open scholarships, etc., to see if you'd have an advantage or not.  But it's definitely worth looking at these guys.
2/23/2012 1:02 AM
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Manny,

If you are a beginner at pulling dropdowns, I would suggest not attempting to fill ALL of your schollies with dropdowns.  I am sure other coaches might disagree but depending on the world you are in, there is a shot you will enter a few battles.  Because of the possibilities, you could end up with missing out on a few and not having much money to fill your open spots.

It's a risk to attempt so tread lightly if you choose to go that route.
2/23/2012 1:33 AM
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It's become more difficult, i.e. expensive, to battle for a SIM player.   I haven't tried it in awhile, but I suspect that a recruit who is already considering a D1 school will brush you off
2/23/2012 4:45 AM
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Posted by alblack56 on 2/23/2012 4:45:00 AM (view original):
It's become more difficult, i.e. expensive, to battle for a SIM player.   I haven't tried it in awhile, but I suspect that a recruit who is already considering a D1 school will brush you off
This happened to me during W. Virginia St.'s last recruiting period. A D+ prestige and a D prestige beat me out for two different guys that I spent half my cash on. Since I had A- prestige, I wouldn't recommend battling SIMs for recruits. Stick to undecideds within your 70.
2/23/2012 9:25 AM
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Every player is different.  Check word on the street.  If he's tight with the sim, you have no chance.  If not, it usually isn't all that expensive to take over the lead.  It's all cost-benefit of how much you have and how much you want the player.  I think it's a bad decision to avoid SIM-targeted players as an absolute rule.

2/23/2012 9:51 AM
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And I definitely wouldn't stick inside 70.  Inside 250, maybe, but 70 is really limiting yourself.  At D2, you have plenty of money to go get a pulldown at a couple hundred miles.
2/23/2012 9:52 AM
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Posted by alblack56 on 2/23/2012 4:45:00 AM (view original):
It's become more difficult, i.e. expensive, to battle for a SIM player.   I haven't tried it in awhile, but I suspect that a recruit who is already considering a D1 school will brush you off
the last two local recruits I beat sim D1 teams out for cost my D2 A+ program $4,200 and $16,200.
Both were listed by Word On The Street as not being a top priority.
2/23/2012 9:57 AM
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Posted by isack24 on 2/23/2012 9:52:00 AM (view original):
And I definitely wouldn't stick inside 70.  Inside 250, maybe, but 70 is really limiting yourself.  At D2, you have plenty of money to go get a pulldown at a couple hundred miles.
Okay, 70 is perhaps too little lol. Sorry.
2/23/2012 10:11 AM
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What's the best way to approach a pulldown?

If I understand correctly-- a dropdown is one who first gave you the backup message, and then once signings start there's a chance you hear back from them again when they become recruitable, correct?

How do you determine who a pulldown is? And what are the best ways to do so-- send scouting visits?
2/23/2012 1:33 PM
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You understand correctly. Call them one time. If they are agreeable to being a 'backup option', they 'll let you know. It they blow you off, or don't answer at all, you're wasting your time.  

Pulldown means you try to get them to drop to you earlier than normal. One way to do it is with several scouting visits...anywhere from 7-20 or more.

The risk, of course, is the expense. You may spend a lot only to find that a DII school wants them as well.
2/23/2012 1:44 PM
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Posted by isack24 on 2/23/2012 9:52:00 AM (view original):
And I definitely wouldn't stick inside 70.  Inside 250, maybe, but 70 is really limiting yourself.  At D2, you have plenty of money to go get a pulldown at a couple hundred miles.
I would say within 300 for your first recruit. After that you can go beyond that if you have the funds. Usually 10-15 scouting trips is what it's taken but I have had a couple take around 30 but one guy took 40
2/23/2012 4:35 PM
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I don't know, pulling a guy down from 300 miles is like $4,300 (15 ST + scholarship).   That's a lot to invest in someone who can be snatched up by a poacher pretty easily.    I stay close if you can.   In the heavily populated area there are usually lots of good recruits in the the 10-70 range.
2/23/2012 6:03 PM
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Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/23/2012 6:03:00 PM (view original):
I don't know, pulling a guy down from 300 miles is like $4,300 (15 ST + scholarship).   That's a lot to invest in someone who can be snatched up by a poacher pretty easily.    I stay close if you can.   In the heavily populated area there are usually lots of good recruits in the the 10-70 range.
That's the risk/reward part of pulldowns Joe, the fact that someone may come in and snatch them up before you get them signed.  To me, anybody up to 350 miles is definitely fair game to be pulled down.  In fact, I have no qualms whatsoever about going out farther than that if I see a guy I really like. 

2/23/2012 7:58 PM (edited)
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hey guys, i don't know where all these funky mile ranges are coming from - 250, 70, 300, etc... for pulldown purposes, and many others, the only thresholds that matter are the boundaries on price - 200 and 360. pulling a guy down is approx the same price from 0 miles to 200, then from 200 to 360.

i would definitely be open to recruits all the way up to 360, in pretty much any position. its not *that* expensive, relative to your scholarship money. and for a stud, like emy/dcy, i wont hesitate to drop the big 7-9K to pull down a guy, over 360 miles. ive pulled guys down 2000 miles away - although honestly, its not much different after 360. i think 370 is like 560 per eval, and it maxes out at 700. thats only 25% more at a few thousand miles than 370. so, to me, you should basically be open to pulldowns everywhere, or open to them up to 360 miles.

of course, it depends on situation. but the simple reality is that pretty much no coach can be as competitive without using pulldowns as they could be with using pulldowns. its massively important. you don't have to pull down 100% of players, like you used to, but you should still be filling at least a good half of your spots or so.
2/23/2012 9:01 PM
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