My Creighton team just missed the national tournament with a 33 RPI. Has this ever happened before? Why is it happening? 

Did some searching of real life RPIs (since 2005) that missed the tournament with RPI higher than or equal to yours.

I dont see that as viable explanation....record shows a top 50 team at least

must be the loss in the CT semis that costed u

What do you mean "record shows a top 50 team at least"?

Do you mean overall record?  

People are so used to gaming RPI that it's a big shock when their top-50 RPI is excluded from the tourney.  I see a 13-8 record against 51-200.  That's a perfectly mediocre record.  The best win that team had all year was against a mediocre Dayton team.  0 wins...that's ZERO wins against at-large NT teams and only beat one NT team (Dayton) in non-con.  Didn't even play a top-25 RPI team all year.

That's not an at-large NT team, in my opinion.

This is the exact reason seble made a great decision moving away from RPI-based seeding.

I wonder if anybody can show an example of a DII or DIII team with a 33 RPI (who is qualified) being left out of the NT?  My guess would be no although I'm not for certain.

WIS is creating a mirror image of real life...complete with all of the unnecessary bias that takes into account the name on the front of the jersey.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/10/2012 11:25:00 PM (view original):
I wonder if anybody can show an example of a DII or DIII team with a 33 RPI (who is qualified) being left out of the NT?  My guess would be no although I'm not for certain.

WIS is creating a mirror image of real life...complete with all of the unnecessary bias that takes into account the name on the front of the jersey.

I think it's pretty obvious that maj's team isn't an NT team.  What's your argument for them getting in?  And no, I don't think RPI/SOS is a good justification, if that was going to be the answer.

Posted by isack24 on 6/10/2012 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/10/2012 11:25:00 PM (view original):
I wonder if anybody can show an example of a DII or DIII team with a 33 RPI (who is qualified) being left out of the NT?  My guess would be no although I'm not for certain.

WIS is creating a mirror image of real life...complete with all of the unnecessary bias that takes into account the name on the front of the jersey.

I think it's pretty obvious that maj's team isn't an NT team.  What's your argument for them getting in?  And no, I don't think RPI/SOS is a good justification, if that was going to be the answer.

My argument is this:  If DII and DIII teams with 20-8 records, 33 RPIs and 65 SOSs are left out of the NT, then Creighton being excluded from the big dance is not an issue.  If this only happens in DI, then there is a problem.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/10/2012 11:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 6/10/2012 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/10/2012 11:25:00 PM (view original):
I wonder if anybody can show an example of a DII or DIII team with a 33 RPI (who is qualified) being left out of the NT?  My guess would be no although I'm not for certain.

WIS is creating a mirror image of real life...complete with all of the unnecessary bias that takes into account the name on the front of the jersey.

I think it's pretty obvious that maj's team isn't an NT team.  What's your argument for them getting in?  And no, I don't think RPI/SOS is a good justification, if that was going to be the answer.

My argument is this:  If DII and DIII teams with 20-8 records, 33 RPIs and 65 SOSs are left out of the NT, then Creighton being excluded from the big dance is not an issue.  If this only happens in DI, then there is a problem.

It probably doesn't happen in D2 or D3, because there are more one CT bid conferences to knock teams higher than them in the projection report down a spot in D1 than there are in D2 and D3

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/10/2012 11:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 6/10/2012 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/10/2012 11:25:00 PM (view original):
I wonder if anybody can show an example of a DII or DIII team with a 33 RPI (who is qualified) being left out of the NT?  My guess would be no although I'm not for certain.

WIS is creating a mirror image of real life...complete with all of the unnecessary bias that takes into account the name on the front of the jersey.

I think it's pretty obvious that maj's team isn't an NT team.  What's your argument for them getting in?  And no, I don't think RPI/SOS is a good justification, if that was going to be the answer.

My argument is this:  If DII and DIII teams with 20-8 records, 33 RPIs and 65 SOSs are left out of the NT, then Creighton being excluded from the big dance is not an issue.  If this only happens in DI, then there is a problem.

It's just a formula.  I doubt it's any different for D1 than D2 or D3.

I'm not disagreeing that the new formula probably benefits Big 6 teams, but I also think it's a better formula.  

Posted by isack24 on 6/11/2012 12:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/10/2012 11:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by isack24 on 6/10/2012 11:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/10/2012 11:25:00 PM (view original):
I wonder if anybody can show an example of a DII or DIII team with a 33 RPI (who is qualified) being left out of the NT?  My guess would be no although I'm not for certain.

WIS is creating a mirror image of real life...complete with all of the unnecessary bias that takes into account the name on the front of the jersey.

I think it's pretty obvious that maj's team isn't an NT team.  What's your argument for them getting in?  And no, I don't think RPI/SOS is a good justification, if that was going to be the answer.

My argument is this:  If DII and DIII teams with 20-8 records, 33 RPIs and 65 SOSs are left out of the NT, then Creighton being excluded from the big dance is not an issue.  If this only happens in DI, then there is a problem.

It's just a formula.  I doubt it's any different for D1 than D2 or D3.

I'm not disagreeing that the new formula probably benefits Big 6 teams, but I also think it's a better formula.  

OK, isack, I hear ya.

Anyway, to me it's just funny to have an RPI if it is going to be that worthless of a predictor.  In real life, humans use the computer-generated RPI as a tool when they make their subjective decisions.  In HD, it's all computer-based decisions and there are no subjective decisions.  It's just a statistical formula.  So, what the hell is the HD program using RPI for, lol?  It seems pointless to label a team with a 33 RPI and exclude them from the NT.  I'd rather they just get rid of RPI if that is the result.

Hoops Dynasty Eye Candy:

Player Height
Player Weight
Team RPI

lol...

It happens quite a bit in D2/D3. 

Posted by majresorter on 6/10/2012 8:49:00 PM (view original):
My Creighton team just missed the national tournament with a 33 RPI. Has this ever happened before? Why is it happening? 

Same thing has happened to my team recently.  My RPI was very good but just missed NT twice in last few seasons.  Projection report will give you a better indicator than RPI - so I would look at that more in the future versus RPI.  

But I still don't know exactly how it is calculated.  My complaint with my team last season since I was the first team out is that my Air Force team was much better than 2 at-large teams that made the tournament - higher RPI, higher SOS, much better Non-conf schedule and much better Conf schedule.  Others pointed out that my road record probably hurt me compared to the other teams as they set up some "cream puffs" to win against on the road in Non-conference.  I didn't think it was fair but it may be more beneficial.

Posted by tianyi7886 on 6/11/2012 12:42:00 AM (view original):
It happens quite a bit in D2/D3. 

It never did before the formula change.  I looked in the archive for Tark between seasons 32-62 and only a combined 6 DII/DIII teams with an RPI better than 50 were relegated to the PIT (two of them were ineligible for the NT because they had losing records.)  The lowest RPI for a team with a winning record in the PIT was 45.

I can't verify more recent seasons because the archive is blank for seasons 63 to present.  If it happens quite a bit, it's been in 2012 only.