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bistiza
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I know players have high, average, and low potential in most categories, but I have two questions:

1. Are there differing levels "within" those levels? For example, two guys who have high potential at PER and start at the same rating when recruited (and have same WE) end up with different ratings when they cap out?

2. Perhaps this is related and perhaps not, but what is meant by "high/high"? I"ve seen it on here several times and I'm not getting it.

Thanks.
9/11/2012 12:48 PM
ryrun
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1. Yes - they are ranges of potential, not exact numbers.  If you can tell right when the player moves from high down to average, for example, then you have a good idea of how many points he has left.

2. High is generally thought to be a range of 21-28 possible points of improvement.  High/High is generally accepted as 28+; there is no exact number known, it's just known that there's more than 28 potential points of improvement.
9/11/2012 12:55 PM
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High potential is subdivided into to categories "low-high" (20-27 points of growth) and "high-high" (28+ points of growth). There may be minor disagreement over exactly where the division line is with regard to high-high, but I'm in the ballpark there.

Each player is capped in each rating -- i.e. - has a ceiling above which their rating will never rise. As a coach, you don't know what this ceiling is until you get an email from your assistant informing you that said player needs to work on something else in practice (and even then, there's some miniscule growth remaining) or by noticing specifically when a player's color potential changes from blue to black or from black to red. So, yes, players who start with the same rating and same potential, everything being equal, may finish differently because they have different caps. IF they both start at 50 and are high-high, Player A might cap at 79...Player B might end up in the 90s. You have no way of knowing how high-high the player will go.
9/11/2012 12:56 PM
ryrun
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dacj501 put together a listing of the scouting report responses and if they mean high or high/high for each category.  It's hosted on Google Docs here.
9/11/2012 12:57 PM
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Anybody have any "super high/high" experiences?  Say, taking someone with a 50, high/high PER or REB and he's 100 his senior year?

I picked up a team with a 100 REB senior.  Just curious if he was found as a 72 or 73 as an incoming freshman or he improved quite a bit.  My second season as a coach, my assumption was if I scouted a guy as high/high in a skill I could add 30 pts to that skill to forecast his growth.  But is 40 pts, or 50 a possibility?  Or once in a blue moon type thing?

9/11/2012 2:21 PM
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My understanding is that each player has an actual number that is his maximum potential rating for each skill.  That number is not necessarily an integer.  The potential indications on FSS and in evals and on the player "page" are all approximate indications of the difference between his current number and the cap.

9/11/2012 2:24 PM
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Posted by guyo26 on 9/11/2012 2:21:00 PM (view original):
Anybody have any "super high/high" experiences?  Say, taking someone with a 50, high/high PER or REB and he's 100 his senior year?

I picked up a team with a 100 REB senior.  Just curious if he was found as a 72 or 73 as an incoming freshman or he improved quite a bit.  My second season as a coach, my assumption was if I scouted a guy as high/high in a skill I could add 30 pts to that skill to forecast his growth.  But is 40 pts, or 50 a possibility?  Or once in a blue moon type thing?

Yes, "sky's the limit" for high/high, or so my assistant tells me.

Typically, you only see per/lp gain more than 35+, but it happens occasionally with some other ratings.  Ath/spd rarely are much more than 35.  I think 30 is exactly the way you should forecast high/high, but always keep in mind that it could be more (for example, if you are comparing two similar recruits and one has a bunch of high/highs).
9/11/2012 2:38 PM
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Gary Stutler for Valdosta St in Knight started with 13 lp and 18 pe and ended over 90 in both. 
9/11/2012 2:41 PM
tianyi7886
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I think I had a guy with 23 per go to 100.
9/11/2012 2:41 PM
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Thanks guys.  IS WE any indicator?  Or that just affects the speed of the ratings increase?
9/11/2012 2:47 PM
isack24
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As far as I know, WE only affects the rate of increase.  I guess I can't say for sure, maybe there is some correlation, but I doubt it.
9/11/2012 2:50 PM
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Posted by guyo26 on 9/11/2012 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Thanks guys.  IS WE any indicator?  Or that just affects the speed of the ratings increase?
I haven't looked enough to know the answer. My guy had very high WE fwiw.
9/11/2012 2:52 PM
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I believe - cannot say proven - that WE addresses only the rate at which you will approach the cap (along with other factors such as playing time)

That said, if a guy has terrific potential but average or below average WE he may well never get near his cap.  Potential has that burden.
9/11/2012 3:13 PM
bistiza
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So how do you tell if a guy is low/high or high/high before you get him on your team and find out? Or is that not possible, and you just have to be glad he's high at all?
9/11/2012 3:22 PM
ryrun
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Posted by bistiza on 9/11/2012 3:22:00 PM (view original):
So how do you tell if a guy is low/high or high/high before you get him on your team and find out? Or is that not possible, and you just have to be glad he's high at all?
Scouting reports.
9/11/2012 3:25 PM
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