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jjwarden
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Many variables play into recruiting but here is a scenario:

Division 1:
Team A:  A+ prestige, 380 miles away.  
Team B:  B- prestige, 100 miles away.  

How much more does team B need to put in to win the battle?  Of course battles and number of recruits play a HUGE role but what is the consenses?   Thanks!
9/22/2012 1:09 AM
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You'd have to spend close to 2.5 times as much in terms of effort, which at those distances is still more than a 75% additional spending on your part in terms of cash.
9/22/2012 1:35 AM
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assuming both schools spend their money correctly, equal spending results in basically a wash between the schools. if you think you can put more money into the recruit, no matter which school you are, i'd go for it.

note: this is assuming a middle of the road A+ and B-. A+ prestige does not seem to be capped, although nobody knows for sure. if that A+ is like, kentucky coming off a championship, they could have significantly higher than an average a+ prestige, and thus, a decent advantage in the battle. always got to be careful when A+ schools are involved, for that reason (whether you are in a battle, trying to calculate prestige/HV:CV based on a battle, anything really).
9/22/2012 2:02 AM
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even if you use higher prestige figures, commonly accepted value by many coach, you might estimate the a+ school has approximately a 40-50% advantage. but i really think its about even. anyway, that gives you roughly an upper bound, if you are trying to play it safe.

9/22/2012 2:09 AM
dahsdebater
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I was mostly spitballing, disregard my original comment since apparently it was quite far off...
9/22/2012 2:32 AM
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Posted by dahsdebater on 9/22/2012 2:32:00 AM (view original):
I was mostly spitballing, disregard my original comment since apparently it was quite far off...
eh, not THAT far off. i just tend to make it a priority to be able to nail these things down fairly precisely :)

edit: OP, not sure if you know, all these IDs are mine (gil, gil1, billyg). dont mean to make you think 3 people agree with me lol
9/22/2012 2:49 AM
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Great insights!  Thanks guys.  I do need a little clarity though.  What exactly do you mean by this: (Oh, by the way I am speaking on behalf of team B)

"equal spending results in basically a wash between schools.  If you think you can put more money into the recruit, no matter which school you are, I'd go for it."

From a purely money standpoint I think I can put more money into the recruit.  He has already been recruiting several players (which cost him cash) and I am holding all my cash for one big player.  But with the prestige stuff in there I don't know if my 100k (just throwing numbers out there) will win me the recruit over his 100k.  (Numbers are hypothetical. )  

Are you saying gillspie that you think my 100k will match and beat his 100k?  Even with the big difference in prestige?  (assuming I spend my cash correct and use all HV since I am at 100 miles) 
9/22/2012 8:56 AM
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I think that team B will lose given equal spending.  I am not sure though.  I would want to be able to spend more as the B- school, but you have a shot with equal.
9/22/2012 10:31 AM
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Team B needs to outspend to win IMO, but not by much.
9/22/2012 10:54 AM
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I think Team B needs to outspend by 30-40%
9/22/2012 11:26 AM
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Posted by gillispie on 9/22/2012 2:02:00 AM (view original):
assuming both schools spend their money correctly, equal spending results in basically a wash between the schools. if you think you can put more money into the recruit, no matter which school you are, i'd go for it.

note: this is assuming a middle of the road A+ and B-. A+ prestige does not seem to be capped, although nobody knows for sure. if that A+ is like, kentucky coming off a championship, they could have significantly higher than an average a+ prestige, and thus, a decent advantage in the battle. always got to be careful when A+ schools are involved, for that reason (whether you are in a battle, trying to calculate prestige/HV:CV based on a battle, anything really).
That's really interesting, I always thought it was the same as FT shooting in that a certain letter grade corresponds to a % between1-100. So the way I was thinking that the highest prestige number for a team would cap at 100. So you're saying that this number could go over 100? Also I'm assuming this would apply to d2/d3 as well as d1?

Thanks bg
9/22/2012 11:57 AM
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assuming each team spends most efficiently and that the prestiges are average (like cbg was saying A+ can be tough) and the difference is 5 partial letter grades I'd guesstimate that team B needs to outspend team A by 15% or so.
9/22/2012 1:29 PM
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Looks like I need to pull him down.... (I am a back-up option for now) I didn't realize that was still an issue at high D1.  So I guess I pull him down (as a B- school) with scouting reports and then go from there?  Anyone else seen this?  
9/22/2012 5:52 PM
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Posted by bdpoor on 9/22/2012 11:57:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gillispie on 9/22/2012 2:02:00 AM (view original):
assuming both schools spend their money correctly, equal spending results in basically a wash between the schools. if you think you can put more money into the recruit, no matter which school you are, i'd go for it.

note: this is assuming a middle of the road A+ and B-. A+ prestige does not seem to be capped, although nobody knows for sure. if that A+ is like, kentucky coming off a championship, they could have significantly higher than an average a+ prestige, and thus, a decent advantage in the battle. always got to be careful when A+ schools are involved, for that reason (whether you are in a battle, trying to calculate prestige/HV:CV based on a battle, anything really).
That's really interesting, I always thought it was the same as FT shooting in that a certain letter grade corresponds to a % between1-100. So the way I was thinking that the highest prestige number for a team would cap at 100. So you're saying that this number could go over 100? Also I'm assuming this would apply to d2/d3 as well as d1?

Thanks bg
it used to be uncapped in d2/d3, before my time. coaches have told stories year ago about teams who did really well going from A+ to D-, presumably being D- a prestige grade higher. i don't know if d1 was capped, on one hand you'd think they all got capped together, but it seems from battles that A+ can go higher. i know some other coaches have similar beliefs, i think lostmyth suggested it wasnt capped in his veteran faq too. 
9/22/2012 7:29 PM
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Posted by jjwarden on 9/22/2012 8:56:00 AM (view original):
Great insights!  Thanks guys.  I do need a little clarity though.  What exactly do you mean by this: (Oh, by the way I am speaking on behalf of team B)

"equal spending results in basically a wash between schools.  If you think you can put more money into the recruit, no matter which school you are, I'd go for it."

From a purely money standpoint I think I can put more money into the recruit.  He has already been recruiting several players (which cost him cash) and I am holding all my cash for one big player.  But with the prestige stuff in there I don't know if my 100k (just throwing numbers out there) will win me the recruit over his 100k.  (Numbers are hypothetical. )  

Are you saying gillspie that you think my 100k will match and beat his 100k?  Even with the big difference in prestige?  (assuming I spend my cash correct and use all HV since I am at 100 miles) 
i was suggesting if you go all HV and he all CV, the team who spends more will win (generally speaking: i.e. considering credit, favorite schools, home/away preferences etc considered to be non factors).

basically what i am saying is with you going all HV, the distance advantage is very close to equal to his prestige advantage. but like i said - if his A+ is a strong one - you will be behind. so its better if you can expect to outspend by a moderate amount (like 25% or something).
9/22/2012 7:31 PM
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