AT 1st HD confused me with their moronic explanation that Prestige only looks at the current season and previous prestige to calc current prestige (pretty STUPID). But even given that I can't figure out WTF goes into their calc.


W Va St. (A)

76 mullycj 24-6 A Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
75 mullycj 20-10 A NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
74 mullycj A+ Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Championship Game)
73 mullycj 23-8 A+ NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)

Charleston
76 jtt8355 22-6 A+ NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
75 jtt8355 22-8 A+ Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
74 jtt8355 20-10 A+ NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
73 jtt8355 27-4 A+ Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)

I agree...Charleston should've lost their A+ rating 1-2 seasons back

doesn't a S16 usually bump up to A+ though?

Not enough information. Need to see the rpi and final rankings for those years.

Technically, WIS takes the last 10 seasons, however the last 4 having the most weight. What isn't listed in those 10 seasons is 2 national championships, a final four and elite 8 appearance for Charleston. It's possible they were at a very high A+.

technically ...NOT TRUE (from what they told me)

DII and DIII looks at current prestige and current season ONLY. That's pretty effed up. Your argument would make more sense but CS told me that wasn't the case and even pointed me to the knowledge base.

Posted by mullycj on 10/25/2014 3:05:00 PM (view original):
technically ...NOT TRUE (from what they told me)

DII and DIII looks at current prestige and current season ONLY. That's pretty effed up. Your argument would make more sense but CS told me that wasn't the case and even pointed me to the knowledge base.

Could you share what the knowledge base says? I have always though that DII and DIII still account for several seasons, but are just more volatile than DI prestige.

And I also think it makes sense that Charleston is rated with a higher prestige than West Virginia State. You had one very poor season where you barely made it into the NT. They were ranked both of the past two seasons and have had an average RPI of 8 over the past four seasons.

Posted by mullycj on 10/25/2014 3:05:00 PM (view original):
technically ...NOT TRUE (from what they told me)

DII and DIII looks at current prestige and current season ONLY. That's pretty effed up. Your argument would make more sense but CS told me that wasn't the case and even pointed me to the knowledge base.

Unless something has changed, I"m just going by what Admin had stated. Don't see any other explanation. If you look at his track record over the past 10 seasons, that appears to be the only logical explanation.

Also, as you know, CS is known for their short responses, so it's possible they were just too lazy to give you the whole answer, so they gave you the shortened version.

Posted by the0nlyis on 10/25/2014 2:31:00 PM (view original):
doesn't a S16 usually bump up to A+ though?

absolutely not, at least at D2. I had an Elite 8 that only moved me from a B to a B+ (because I had a 20-12 record and did the run as a 15 or 16 seed). Record and RPI definitely play a role in the equation. Have also had Sweet 16s that didn't move me anywhere from an A- prestige. 

And like wizard, I could have sworn that sable has said its the last 10 seasons, but that may have also been an explanation specific to D1, so it is possible that both are true...no idea if the 10-year thing was dev chat or is buried in an updates thread someplace. 

KB article 779 forwarded to me from CS.


In DII and DIII, prestige is updated at the end of each season based on the following items:
•Current prestige
•Team winning percentage
•Strength of schedule (SOS)
•Postseason bids/wins (National Tournament worth more than PIT)


In DI, prestige updates work a little differently. We look at the past 4 seasons and put a different weighting on each season

take this for what it's worth....

D2/D3 Prestige is a rolling number in that it factors in the current season compared to the previous season ending prestige.

let's assume each season has an ending grade.
after season 1 the teams individual season also is the adjusted prestige number.  Season 2 is completed and that season score is averaged with the adjusted prestige after season 1 to compile a new adjusted prestige.  Season 3 is completed and that season score is averaged with the adjusted prestige after season 2 to compile a new adjusted prestige.  Season 4 is completed and that season score is averaged with the adjusted prestige after season 3 to compile a new adjusted prestige.   and so on and so on…
So in essence all previous seasons are weighed into a teams prestige.   Just at such a diminished rate that anything more than 4-5 seasons barely factors in the adjusted number.

I've used a rating for years that assigns a score to each season.  Based on W/L, ranking, RPI, CT, but most importantly Postseason.
The lower the score the better.   Having a season score of 50, doesn't necessarily mean you're the 50th best team, but you have to take the scores of all teams and compare to find an actual ranking.

West Virginia State is listed in the left columns, Charleston in the right 3 columns

	season	adjust	HD	season	adjust	HD
season#	score	prestige	prestige	score	prestige	prestige
65 >	18	18	A+	5	5	A+
66 >	1	10	A+	8	6	A+
67 >	13	11	A+	4	5	A+
68 >	14	13	A+	3	4	A+
69 >	3	8	A+	1	3	A+
70 >	10	9	A+	23	13	A+
71 >	36	22	A+	4	9	A+
72 >	24	23	A	2	5	A+
73 >	12	18	A+	13	9	A+
74 >	3	10	A+	27	18	A+
75 >	47	29	A	9	14	A+
76 >	22	25	A	27	20	A+

using this scoring method the cutoff between a A+ and A is somewhere around an adjusted prestige of 20.

That's pretty cool.

Thanks

good job, oldwarrior!

Season #71 we had a score of 22 and were still "A+" and the next season were 23 and dropped to "A". I wonder if that "line" changes from season to season based on the other teams or if it stays the same.