Rule V Leg #50 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Angels and Twins have won recently), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.  Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete.  We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible.  Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2014) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2014
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  The scumbag finally won a couple of championships.  Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (welcome back!)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
10/21/2015 5:20 AM
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Player Draft Order.  Franchises that have been taken are marked in RED.

Worst-to-Best rankings (removing best & worst seasons)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 6 364 608 0.3745
2 D'backs 12 850 1094 0.4372
3 Tigers 21 1528 1874 0.4491
4 Pirates 19 1445 1633 0.4695
5 White Sox 11 841 941 0.4719
6 Rockies 13 1000 1106 0.4748
7 Twins 25 1957 2094 0.4831
8 Rangers 18 1412 1505 0.4841
9 Angels 20 1584 1656 0.4889
10 Blue Jays 27 2151 2224 0.4917
11 Orioles 24 1918 1971 0.4932
12 Marlins 20 1606 1636 0.4954
13 Expos 31 2514 2511 0.5003
14 Mariners 30 2435 2426 0.5009
15 Padres 25 2029 2021 0.5010
16 Phillies 32 2602 2585 0.5016
17 Indians 30 2455 2406 0.5050
18 Reds 25 2055 1996 0.5073
19 Brewers 24 1924 1867 0.5075
20 Red Sox 31 2555 2468 0.5087
21 Cubs 22 1813 1751 0.5087
22 Braves 30 2478 2382 0.5099
23 Giants 30 2480 2382 0.5101
24 Mets 29 2398 2301 0.5103
25 Royals 27 2246 2129 0.5134
26 Cardinals 31 2605 2418 0.5186
27 Yankees 27 2326 2048 0.5318
28 Dodgers 30 2603 2259 0.5354
29 A's 31 2691 2332 0.5357
30 Astros 31 2702 2229 0.5480
10/24/2015 8:50 AM (edited)
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Franchise draft order (timed THURSDAY 10/22) all times eastern
  1. tridentric 47-115 .290                     Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals^
  2. schwarze 69-93 .426                      Los Angeles Dodgers^
  3. rbow923 73-89 .451$                     Miami Marlins^
  4. spoonfed 74-88 .457                      Tampa Bay Rays^
  5. marlowe 74-88 .457                        Pittsburgh Pirates^
  6. koyunlu 75-87 .463                         Chicago Cubs^
  7. mussopini23 76-86 .469                 New York Mets^
  8. llcoach 77-85 .475                          Milwaukee Brewers^
  9. shaybee 77-85 .475                        Toronto Blue Jays^
  10. jose can u c 78-84 .481                  Atlanta Braves^
  11. tjefferson 78-84 .481                       Houston Astros^
  12. dvorr80 79-83 .488                          New York Yankees^
  13. specsman 80-82 .494                      Kansas City Royals^
  14. spikeboots 81-81 .500                     Cleveland Indians^
  15. pumpkinmcp 87-75 .537                  Cincinnati Reds^
  16. Robin4 93-69 .574                           San Francisco Giants^
  17. ff09 83-79 .512*                               Oakland Athletics^
  18. alice 88-74 .543*                              Seattle Mariners^
  19. DoctorKz 89-73 .549*$                     Baltimore Orioles^
  20. buddhagamer 91-71 .562*               St. Louis Cardinals^
  21. sinfonian11 94-68 .580*                   Los Angeles Angels^
  22. alleyviper 96-66 .593*                      Detroit Tigers^
  23. mllama54 83-79 .512%                    Boston Red Sox^
  24. deathdealer 102-60 .630&               San Diego Padres^
* playoff team
$ new owner
% WS runner-up
& WS champion

^ Third round keeper sent

Division Alignment:

NL East: Mets, Braves, Expo/Nats, Marlins
NL Central: Cubs, Cardinals, Pirates, Reds
NL West: Astros, Dodgers, Giants, Padres
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL Central: Rays, Indians, Tigers, Brewers
AL West: Athletics, Mariners, Angels, Royals

owner list for sitemailing: spikeboots; specsman; spoonfed; dvorr80; koyunlu; tridentric; ff09; marlowe; mussopini23; alleyviper; jose can u c; deathdealer; pumpkinmcp; tjefferson; DoctorKz; Robin4; llcoach; alice; shaybee; rbow923; buddhagamer; schwarze; mllama54; sinfonian11
10/30/2015 12:47 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts MONDAY 10/26) all times eastern                         Off the Board
  1. spoonfed - Tampa Bay Rays                                         Jacob DeGrom - NYM
  2. alleyviper - Detroit Tigers                                              Frank Tanana - LAA
  3. marlowe - Pittsburgh Pirates                                         Kevin Brown - LAD
  4. sinfonian11 - Los Angeles Angels                                 Ken Griffey, Jr. - SEA
  5. shaybee - Toronto Blue Jays                                         Mike Piazza - LAD                              Los Angeles Dodgers
  6. DoctorKz - Baltimore Orioles                                         Willie McGee - STL
  7. rbow923 - Miami Marlins                                               Mark McGwire - STL                          St. Louis Cardinals
  8. tridentric - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals         Rico Petrocelli - BOS
  9. alice - Seattle Mariners                                                  Mike Norris - OAK
  10. deathdealer - San Diego Padres                                   Tony Fernandez - TOR
  11. spikeboots - Cleveland Indians                                      Josh Donaldson - TOR                     Toronto Blue Jays
  12. pumpkinmcp - Cincinnati Reds                                      Fritz Peterson - NYY
  13. llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers                                         David Wright - NYM                           New York Mets
  14. mllama54 - Boston Red Sox                                          Dallas Keuchel - HOU
  15. koyunlu - Chicago Cubs                                                Nomar Garciaparra - BOS                 Boston Red Sox
  16. jose can u c - Atlanta Braves                                         George Foster - CIN
  17. Robin4 - San Francisco Giants                                      JR Richard - HOU                             Houston Astros
  18. mussopini23 - New York Mets                                       Bernie Williams - NYY                       New York Yankees
  19. specsman - Kansas City Royals                                    Jered Weaver - LAA                          Los Angeles Angels
  20. buddhagamer - St. Louis Cardinals                               Roberto Alomar - CLE
  21. dvorr80 - New York Yankees                                         Tim Hudson - OAK                            Oakland Athletics
  22. schwarze - Los Angeles Dodgers                                  Buster Posey - SFG
  23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics                                                  HWMNBN - CIN                                 Cincinnati Reds
  24. tjefferson - Houston Astros                                            Chris Hoiles - BAL
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts WEDNESDAY 10/28)                              Off the Board
  1. spoonfed - Tampa Bay Rays                                         Ryan Braun - MIL
  2. alleyviper - Detroit Tigers                                              Dave Righetti - NYY
  3. marlowe - Pittsburgh Pirates                                         Hideo Nomo - LAD
  4. sinfonian11 - Los Angeles Angels                                 Ted Simmons - STL
  5. shaybee - Toronto Blue Jays                                         Jose Reyes - NYM
  6. DoctorKz - Baltimore Orioles                                         Bill Singer - LAD                      Los Angeles Dodgers
  7. rbow923 - Miami Marlins                                               Paul O'Neill - NYY                    New York Yankees
  8. tridentric - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals         Don Wilson - HOU
  9. alice - Seattle Mariners                                                 Carlton Fisk - BOS
  10. deathdealer - San Diego Padres                                   Craig Kimbrel - ATL
  11. spikeboots - Cleveland Indians                                      Billy Wagner - HOU                 Houston Astros
  12. pumpkinmcp - Cincinnati Reds                                      AFTBOAT - STL                       St. Louis Cardinals
  13. llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers                                         Tim Salmon - LAA
  14. mllama54 - Boston Red Sox                                          Manny Sanguillen - PIT
  15. koyunlu - Chicago Cubs                                                 Zack Greinke - KCR
  16. jose can u c - Atlanta Braves                                         Dennis Martinez - MON/WSH
  17. Robin4 - San Francisco Giants                                      Mickey Tettleton - DET
  18. mussopini23 - New York Mets                                        Gary Sheffield - ATL               Atlanta Braves
  19. specsman - Kansas City Royals                                    Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH  Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals
  20. buddhagamer - St. Louis Cardinals                               Dennis Eckersley - OAK
  21. dvorr80 - New York Yankees                                         Willie Stargell - PIT                   Pittsburgh Pirates
  22. schwarze - Los Angeles Dodgers                                  Mark Loretta - SDP
  23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics                                                  Victor Martinez- DET               Detroit Tigers
  24. tjefferson - Houston Astros                                            Rich Aurillia - SFG
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule MONDAY 11/2)                                                        Off the Board
  1. spoonfed - Tampa Bay Rays                                         Paul LoDuca - LAD
  2. alleyviper - Detroit Tigers                                              Darin Erstad - LAA
  3. marlowe - Pittsburgh Pirates                                         Jim Thome - CLE
  4. sinfonian11 - Los Angeles Angels                                 Cliff Lee - SEA
  5. shaybee - Toronto Blue Jays                                         Larry Dierker - HOU
  6. DoctorKz - Baltimore Orioles                                         Mariano Rivera - NYY
  7. rbow923 - Miami Marlins                                               Fernando Valenzuela - LAD          Los Angeles Dodgers
  8. tridentric - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals         Kevin Mitchell - SFG
  9. alice - Seattle Mariners                                                  Don Mattingly - NYY                     New York Yankees
  10. deathdealer - San Diego Padres                                   Jose Altuve - HOU                        Houston Astros
  11. spikeboots - Cleveland Indians                                      Will Clark - SFG                             San Francisco Giants       
  12. pumpkinmcp - Cincinnati Reds                                      Billy Williams - CHC
  13. llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers                                          Rafael Betancourt - CLE               Cleveland Indians
  14. mllama54 - Boston Red Sox                                           Luis Castillo - MIA                    
  15. koyunlu - Chicago Cubs                                                 Jim Edmonds - STL
  16. jose can u c - Atlanta Braves                                         Sean Doolittle - OAK
  17. Robin4 - San Francisco Giants                                      Giancarlo Stanton - MIA               Miami Marlins
  18. mussopini23 - New York Mets                                        Koji Uehara - BOS
  19. specsman - Kansas City Royals                                    Freddie Sanchez - PIT
  20. buddhagamer - St. Louis Cardinals                               Al Bumbry - BAL
  21. dvorr80 - New York Yankees                                         Jose Rijo - CIN
  22. schwarze - Los Angeles Dodgers                                  Ken Singleton - BAL                     Baltimore Orioles
  23. ff09 - Oakland Athletics                                                  Dustin Pedroia - BOS                  Boston Red Sox
  24. tjefferson - Houston Astros                                             Reggie Jackson - OAK               Oakland Athletics

11/3/2015 10:39 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

spoonfed - Tampa Bay Rays:  Ben Zobrist, Carl Crawford, James Shields, Joaquin Benoit, Fernando Rodney, Jacob DeGrom - NYM, BJ Upton, Ryan Braun - MIL, David Price, Paul LoDuca - LAD

alleyviper - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Alan Trammell, Frank Tanana - LAA, Willie Hernandez, Dave Righetti - NYY, Tony Phillips, Darin Erstad - LAA

marlowe - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Andrew McCutchen, Brian Giles, Jay Bell, Jason Kendall, Kevin Brown - LAD, Rick Reuschel, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Rich Gossage, Jim Thome - CLE

sinfonian11 - Los Angeles Angels: Mike Trout, Bobby Grich, Mark Texeira, Mike Witt, Andy Messersmith, Ken Griffey, Jr. - SEA, Garrett Richards, Ted Simmons - STL, Troy Percival, Cliff Lee - SEA

shaybee - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Mark Eichhorn, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado, Jose Bautista, Mike Piazza - LAD, Roberto Alomar, Jose Reyes - NYM, Jimmy Key, Larry Dierker - HOU

DoctorKz - Baltimore Orioles: Roberto Alomar, TSMOPPOAT, Eddie Murray, Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, Willie McGee - STL, Brady Anderson, Bill Singer - LAD, Javy Lopez, Mariano Rivera - NYY

rbow923 - Miami Marlins: Dee Gordon, Hanley Ramirez, Miguel Cabrera, Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Mark McGwire - STL, Gary Sheffield, Paul O'Neill - NYY, Mike Piazza, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD

tridentric - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Tim Raines, Bryce Harper, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Gio Gonzalez, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Gary Carter, Don Wilson - HOU, Tim Burke, Kevin Mitchell - SFG

alice - Seattle Mariners: Bret Boone, Alex Rodriguez, Edgar Martinez, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Mike Norris - OAK, Ichiro Suzuki, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Norm Charlton, Don Mattingly - NYY

deathdealer - San Diego Padres: Tony Gwynn, Chase Headley, Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, Randy Jones, Tony Fernandez - TOR, Ken Caminiti, Craig Kimbrel - ATL, Trevor Hoffman, Jose Altuve - HOU

spikeboots - Cleveland Indians: Gaylord Perry, Corey Kluber, CC Sabathia, Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Josh Donaldson - TOR, Victor Martinez, Billy Wagner - HOU, Omar Vizquel, Will Clark - SFG

pumpkinmcp - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Barry Larkin, Johnny Cueto, Tom Seaver, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Joey Votto, AFTBOAT - STL, Aroldis Chapman, Billy Williams - CHC

llcoach - Milwaukee Brewers: Prince Fielder, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Ben Sheets, Teddy Higuera, David Wright - NYM, Rollie Fingers, Tim Salmon - LAA, Mike Caldwell, Rafael Betancourt - CLE

mllama54 - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Derek Lowe, Wade Boggs, Fred Lynn, Dallas Keuchel - HOU, Carl Yastrzemski, Manny Sanguillen - PIT, Jacoby Ellsbury, Luis Castillo - MIA

koyunlu - Chicago Cubs: Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Sammy Sosa, Derrek Lee, Ryne Sandberg, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Rick Wilkins, Zack Greinke - KCR, Bruce Sutter, Jim Edmonds - STL

jose can u c - Atlanta Braves: Greg Madduz, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, George Foster - CIN, Rafael Furcal, Dennis Martinez - MON/WSH, Javy Lopez, Sean Doolittle - OAK

Robin4 - San Francisco Giants: Jason Schmidt, Juan Marichal, Tim Lincecum, Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, JR Richard - HOU, Jeff Kent, Mickey Tettleton - DET, Matt Williams, Giancarlo Stanton - MIA

mussopini23 - New York Mets: Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Dwight Gooden, Matt Harvey, John Olerud, Bernie Williams - NYY, Howard Johnson, Gary Sheffield - ATL, Carlos Beltran, Koji Uehara - BOS

specsman - Kansas City Royals: Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, George Brett, Willie Wilson, Darrell Porter, Jered Weaver - LAA, David Cone, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH, Wade Davis, Freddie Sanchez

buddhagamer - St. Louis Cardinals: John Tudor, Bob Gibson, Chris Carpenter, Albert Pujols, Joe Torre, Roberto Alomar - CLE, Ozzie Smith, Dennis Eckersley - OAK, Yadier Molina, Al Bumbry - BAL

dvorr80 - New York Yankees: Robinson Cano, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Rickey Henderson, Ron Guidry, Tim Hudson - OAK, Catfish Hunter, Willie Stargell - PIT, Bobby Murcer, Jose Rijo - CIN

schwarze - Los Angeles Dodgers: Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Orel Hershiser, Adrian Beltre, Buster Posey - SFG, Eric Gagne, Mark Loretta - SDP, Hong-Chih Kuo, Ken Singleton - BAL

ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, HWMNBN - CIN, Josh Donaldson, Victor Martinez - DET, Sonny Gray, Dustin Pedroia - BOS

tjefferson - Houston Astros: Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, TSMOPOAT, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Chris Hoiles - BAL, Lance Berkman, Rich Aurillia - SFG, Don Sutton, Reggie Jackson - OAK


11/3/2015 10:39 AM (edited)
DoctorKz
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Who's Rick gonna pick? Louisville Colonels? Elizabeth Resolutes? Wilmington Quicksteps?
10/21/2015 6:14 AM
tridentric
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I'd like to try some of 2015's new studs so we'll grab the Montreal/Washington throat chokers. Keepers on their way. site mailing
10/21/2015 8:46 AM
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I wouldn't have expected they'd last all the way to me but the Exponats were who I most wanted to use and they go #1, jeeze.
10/21/2015 9:11 AM
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After the disaster that was the Angels last leg, let's go down the highway a bit and select the LA Dodgers.  So many starting pitching options.
10/21/2015 9:38 AM
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Posted by schwarze on 10/21/2015 9:38:00 AM (view original):
After the disaster that was the Angels last leg, let's go down the highway a bit and select the LA Dodgers.  So many starting pitching options.
Indeed. I haven't looked closely, but I'd guess that the 2015 Kershaw and Greinke would both be viable ones to add to their stable.
10/21/2015 10:20 AM
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Miami Marlins. Let's see how good Dee Gordon's glove is.
10/21/2015 10:44 AM
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was definitely thinking about Dodgers with those 2 horses mixed in with their abundance of great arms
10/21/2015 10:56 AM
sinfonian11
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Added the timed schedule for TOMORROW (Thursday) to the franchise draft list just in case we need it.
10/21/2015 1:24 PM
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I will take the Tampa Bay Rays
10/21/2015 1:45 PM
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I'll try the Pirates
10/21/2015 1:56 PM
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