Has anyone seen selbe mention making a change to recruit distribution logic? If selbe is planning on making a change to recruit distribution, then my point is moot. However, if recruit distribution remains the same, I can foresee a potential flaw to the new recruiting system that may have an impact greater than the designed intent.

Here are my thoughts:

Private camps - Each school can hold a private camp, attendance numbers set by the coach. That is fine for schools that are in major population centers but not as helpful to geographically isolated schools. Georgetown's private camp, because of the vast number of DI schools in the NE, will have most participants (selbe says attendace will favor players who are local to camp location) be kids within close distance to the school. However, Hawaii, Alaska, and large parts of the mountain west, regardless of division, don't generate even the minimum 50 recruits locally to make this an even allocation of cost by comparison. If I'm in Hawaii, I'll get info on the 12 island recruits but the other 38 recruits will be from where? Wherever they are from, that info will be of limited value but at the same cost as compared to Georgetown.

Regional camps - Where will these be held? I assume there will be one in each region of the country rather than all camps in a fixed location like Orlando or New York. But, the location of the regional camps will be key. Regardless of where they are, regional camps will still favor schools in major population centers over geographically isolated schools. The regional NE camp, whether in Philly, DC, Boston, Baltimore, etc. (again selbe says attendance will favor players who are local to camp location) will benefit the NE schools much more that the regional West camp will benefit the schools in the mountain west. The sheer volume of recruits in heavily populated areas will reveal to those schools additional nearby recruits that are not possible in sparsely (school) populated areas. In short, a "regional" camp in DC is effectively a second "local" camp for Georgetown.

Finally, if the public camps are in fixed locations per region, campuses that are equidistant between two regional camps (maybe Pittsburgh being roughly in the middle of both the NE and great lakes camp?) will get an added bonus. I could even triangulate a few locations that could benefit from a NE, great lakes and SE camp...maybe somewhere in Tennessee or western Carolina. None of this would be the case for schools west of Kansas City or so.

As long as recruit generation (distribution) is dependent on how many schools, per division, are located in a specific state, the camp system may have unintended consequences, not just for the Montana States or Hawaii's of the universe but for BCS schools like K-State, Oklahoma, Colorado, Arizona, etc. Obviously, I have not seen anything in a testing environment, but I hope this has been brought up and thought through by the developers. IMHO, the camp system essentially needs random recruit distribution to work as a means of leveling the playing field. I don't think keeping the existing distribution pattern and overlaying it with this new signing process if going to be effective.

What do you say?

Looks like this is going to interesting. And the stuff to be discussed in beta

The only changes to recruit generation will be adding some deeper preferences that will come into play based on the school's pursuing him.

You can look at it two ways. In NYC, you'll have more of a pool to draw from, but you probably won't be able to scout all the players in that region. In a sparser area, you should be able to scout most or all of the available talent.

The answers from the dev chat that seem relevant. Don't know how it will wind up working out...

Posted by dacj501 on 3/7/2016 6:33:00 PM (view original):

The only changes to recruit generation will be adding some deeper preferences that will come into play based on the school's pursuing him.

You can look at it two ways. In NYC, you'll have more of a pool to draw from, but you probably won't be able to scout all the players in that region. In a sparser area, you should be able to scout most or all of the available talent.

The answers from the dev chat that seem relevant. Don't know how it will wind up working out...

But the cost basis is now the same rather than it being cheaper for the isolated schools. A minimum of 50 recruits is needed to hold a camp, private or public. If there are only 20 local recruits, you are wasting money. Under the old FSS system, states with fewer recruits cost less money. Now, camps will cost the same no matter where your school is.

Posted by dacj501 on 3/7/2016 6:33:00 PM (view original):

The only changes to recruit generation will be adding some deeper preferences that will come into play based on the school's pursuing him.

You can look at it two ways. In NYC, you'll have more of a pool to draw from, but you probably won't be able to scout all the players in that region. In a sparser area, you should be able to scout most or all of the available talent.

The answers from the dev chat that seem relevant. Don't know how it will wind up working out...

One last thing, dacj. The word "most" is troubling. If Alaska can see "most" if not all of the local recruits, that is much more damaging than if a Philadelphia school can see "most" if not all of the philly recruits. It would be a crime if a kid in Anchorage is unseen by Alaska-Anchorage.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 3/7/2016 6:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 3/7/2016 6:33:00 PM (view original):

The only changes to recruit generation will be adding some deeper preferences that will come into play based on the school's pursuing him.

You can look at it two ways. In NYC, you'll have more of a pool to draw from, but you probably won't be able to scout all the players in that region. In a sparser area, you should be able to scout most or all of the available talent.

The answers from the dev chat that seem relevant. Don't know how it will wind up working out...

But the cost basis is now the same rather than it being cheaper for the isolated schools. A minimum of 50 recruits is needed to hold a camp, private or public. If there are only 20 local recruits, you are wasting money. Under the old FSS system, states with fewer recruits cost less money. Now, camps will cost the same no matter where your school is.

But, what seble is saying is that you will get all local recruits and the closest 38 to your school. And what he means is.. Georgetown only got 50 out of 300..chances are they are missing 84% of all (and therefore the good) recruits in the area.. While you see all the good recruits in your area. It cost you a lot less to find all the good recruits, so you can spend more getting all the details while Georgetown will have to schedule more camps if they didn't find enough good recruits. They therefore may not be able to afford to get as fine a set of details as the remote school.

Posted by hughesjr on 3/7/2016 7:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 3/7/2016 6:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 3/7/2016 6:33:00 PM (view original):

The only changes to recruit generation will be adding some deeper preferences that will come into play based on the school's pursuing him.

You can look at it two ways. In NYC, you'll have more of a pool to draw from, but you probably won't be able to scout all the players in that region. In a sparser area, you should be able to scout most or all of the available talent.

The answers from the dev chat that seem relevant. Don't know how it will wind up working out...

But the cost basis is now the same rather than it being cheaper for the isolated schools. A minimum of 50 recruits is needed to hold a camp, private or public. If there are only 20 local recruits, you are wasting money. Under the old FSS system, states with fewer recruits cost less money. Now, camps will cost the same no matter where your school is.

But, what seble is saying is that you will get all local recruits and the closest 38 to your school. And what he means is.. Georgetown only got 50 out of 300..chances are they are missing 84% of all (and therefore the good) recruits in the area.. While you see all the good recruits in your area. It cost you a lot less to find all the good recruits, so you can spend more getting all the details while Georgetown will have to schedule more camps if they didn't find enough good recruits. They therefore may not be able to afford to get as fine a set of details as the remote school.

Hey, hughes.

First, he said most or all, not all. Second, the 38 next closest could be a waste of money depending on where your school is. Where are the next closest 38 recruits for Pac-10 Hawaii, California? Good luck with that one. Remote locations will pay more to get the same (or less) information they used to under FSS and still be constrained by the massive distance disadvantage. I could make a similar type but less dramatic argument for Kansas vs Georgetown or Kansas vs an A-10 or even Ivy League school for that matter. Location in/near recruiting hotbeds and regional camps could be too important.

To be precise, in a worst-case scenario, I can see this type of system creating INTRA-regional parity at the same time creating INTER-regional disparity.

I think another big thing is that since your 1 private camp is bsed on geographics and not prestige you could have an A+ D3 school and a C+ D3 school located in NYC

The A+ school could get nothing but crappy recruits attending their camp while the C+ gets 5 studs attending their camp that the A+ school doesn't know about.

That is one of the points.. Sometimes decent guys fall through the cracks and are found by lower teams.

And supposedly, you can still send your assistant to find 50 recruits at a time. So, you might not find every recruit, but you should find most.

We need to actually see it in Beta.

For the same dollars a metropolitan school and a rural school will see the same number of recruits in their camp. It currently costs the rural school more than the metropolitan school. So won't the new system be better for the rural school, not worse?

Have we confirmed cost structure for that? I would assume it's part of the tweaking numbers he mentioned in the chat

Camps

• A handful of pre-set regional camps located around the country.
• Cost is $30 per player, so about $3,000.
• All players in camp become visible with Level 1 information.
• (OR)
• Hold camp at your school.
• Can be scheduled at any time.
• Cost is $50 per player attending, so $5,000 for a 100-player camp.
• Level 2 information revealed.
• Could also count toward generating interest during recruiting period for all recruits to attend.

I see no differentiation in cost between camps in urban or rural areas.
I also haven’t seen much discussion of using camp at your school to your advantage during the season. I guess guys think they can use that to their advantage if they keep quiet about it.

Posted by CoachSpud on 3/8/2016 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Camps

• A handful of pre-set regional camps located around the country.
• Cost is $30 per player, so about $3,000.
• All players in camp become visible with Level 1 information.
• (OR)
• Hold camp at your school.
• Can be scheduled at any time.
• Cost is $50 per player attending, so $5,000 for a 100-player camp.
• Level 2 information revealed.
• Could also count toward generating interest during recruiting period for all recruits to attend.

I see no differentiation in cost between camps in urban or rural areas.
I also haven’t seen much discussion of using camp at your school to your advantage during the season. I guess guys think they can use that to their advantage if they keep quiet about it.

Spud, the cost of the camps are the same. The value relative to the costs are not.

If Villanova holds a private camp outside Philadelphia and buys the regional camp closest to the school in New York City...and Montana State holds a private camp in Bozeman and buys the regional camp closest to them in Los Angeles, both schools have spent the same amount of money.

The similarities end there.

Also, notice that all the tacked threads about changes are ... gone. so hope someone kept all that info