an A+ D3 team.

The recruit: Joseph Ray

The Teams: NYU (D3) and Syracuse (D1)
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CATEGORY

Playing Time

Wants to Play
NYU Very Good (20 promised minutes)
Syracuse -None

Success
Wants Success
NYU Good
Syracuse VERY good

Play Style
Perimeter Offense
NYU Very Bad (21%)
Syracuse Worse very bad (<21%)




NYU's effort

1400 AP
8 HV (400 AP?)
1 CV (150 AP)
20 minutes (100 AP)

~2050 AP

Syracuse's effort

100 AP
3 HV (150 AP)
1 CV (150 AP)

~ 400 AP


Syracuse crushed NYU, NYU was moderate meaning SU's total effort was at least twice as powerful.

With 50 AP = 1 HV the prestige factor needs to be a multiplier of 10.

If you use 100 AP=1HV then it's a round 6.5

I don't think VH to moderate means double the recruiting credit. I thought we said you needed to have something like 80% of the VH credit leader to be High.

This is another useful example to add to the investigation. Thanks joe.

But I'm not sure why you say "crushed." It was VH vs Moderate. Not VH vs. Very Low. For all we know, NYU was one HV away from getting to high and therefore possibly grabbing a recruit away from an A+ D1 team, which is a completely unrealistic scenario that hurts D1 playability.

The increased battles are a great feature of 3.0, but the loser of a battle over a top-flight recruit needs to be able to drop down to plan B or C and not commit crazy amount of resources to land a backup option over a D3 school.

Also, LOL if NYU's "success" in D3 gets it points in a recruiting battle with a school playing on national television 20 times a year.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 3/3/2017 9:14:00 AM (view original):
an A+ D3 team.

The recruit: Joseph Ray

The Teams: NYU (D3) and Syracuse (D1)
Preferences:

CATEGORY

Playing Time

Wants to Play
NYU Very Good (20 promised minutes)
Syracuse -None

Success
Wants Success
NYU Good
Syracuse VERY good

Play Style
Perimeter Offense
NYU Very Bad (21%)
Syracuse Worse very bad (<21%)




NYU's effort

1400 AP
8 HV (400 AP?)
1 CV (150 AP)
20 minutes (100 AP)

~2050 AP

Syracuse's effort

100 AP
3 HV (150 AP)
1 CV (150 AP)

~ 400 AP


Syracuse crushed NYU, NYU was moderate meaning SU's total effort was at least twice as powerful.

It should be even less for Syracuse to push NYC to mod. High risk, too
bad for NYC. Nothing to be angry about.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 3/3/2017 9:14:00 AM (view original):
an A+ D3 team.

The recruit: Joseph Ray

The Teams: NYU (D3) and Syracuse (D1)
Preferences:

CATEGORY

Playing Time

Wants to Play
NYU Very Good (20 promised minutes)
Syracuse -None

Success
Wants Success
NYU Good
Syracuse VERY good

Play Style
Perimeter Offense
NYU Very Bad (21%)
Syracuse Worse very bad (<21%)




NYU's effort

1400 AP
8 HV (400 AP?)
1 CV (150 AP)
20 minutes (100 AP)

~2050 AP

Syracuse's effort

100 AP
3 HV (150 AP)
1 CV (150 AP)

~ 400 AP


Syracuse crushed NYU, NYU was moderate meaning SU's total effort was at least twice as powerful.

It should be even less for Syracuse to push NYC to mod. High risk, too
bad for NYC. Nothing to be angry about.

Also, is it true that D2 and D3 get the same amount of AP per opening as D1? If so, why? Are they suggesting that a D3 school has the same power to send phone calls and emails as a D1 school? Seems unrealistic that a D3 school can pile up AP, or that a recruit would even care about the 1400th phone call.

Posted by jcfreder on 3/3/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
Also, is it true that D2 and D3 get the same amount of AP per opening as D1? If so, why? Are they suggesting that a D3 school has the same power to send phone calls and emails as a D1 school? Seems unrealistic that a D3 school can pile up AP, or that a recruit would even care about the 1400th phone call.

+1

Posted by jcfreder on 3/3/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
Also, is it true that D2 and D3 get the same amount of AP per opening as D1? If so, why? Are they suggesting that a D3 school has the same power to send phone calls and emails as a D1 school? Seems unrealistic that a D3 school can pile up AP, or that a recruit would even care about the 1400th phone call.

+2

Posted by Benis on 3/3/2017 9:32:00 AM (view original):
I don't think VH to moderate means double the recruiting credit. I thought we said you needed to have something like 80% of the VH credit leader to be High.

I thought the example they gave in beta is that if a team has 2/3rd's of total credit they would 100% sign.

I could be wrong but it's the premise I was under.

Posted by Benis on 3/3/2017 9:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jcfreder on 3/3/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
Also, is it true that D2 and D3 get the same amount of AP per opening as D1? If so, why? Are they suggesting that a D3 school has the same power to send phone calls and emails as a D1 school? Seems unrealistic that a D3 school can pile up AP, or that a recruit would even care about the 1400th phone call.

+1

Couple counter points to this:

1. D1 teams get the same amount of AP but they mean more.
2. I think about AP as a ton of different type of things. One AP might be a postcard sent to a recruit, ten might be a phone call, 50 might be a trip to the kids HS....if helps me, rationalize it.

Posted by zorzii on 3/3/2017 9:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jcfreder on 3/3/2017 9:54:00 AM (view original):
Also, is it true that D2 and D3 get the same amount of AP per opening as D1? If so, why? Are they suggesting that a D3 school has the same power to send phone calls and emails as a D1 school? Seems unrealistic that a D3 school can pile up AP, or that a recruit would even care about the 1400th phone call.

+2

-9 They already have more value than D3. So give D3 less?

Do we all agree that D1 and D3 should never battle for a recruit? Someone has reached too high or someone has dipped too low. Right?

Top 250 are exclusive D1. These kids think someone is going to pay them to play when they're done with college. Not all of them are right but some can play D-League, Euro ball, etc, etc.

Top 125 at each position are restricted to D1/D2. These think they can play big boy CBB or at least sit on the bench for someone who plays on TV Saturday afternoon. But they're not all right. Some can't. The 19th best player in Texas think the 9th best team in TX can use him. But he's slow and can't get a shot off against D1-caliber players.

The rest are open season for all. The 149th PG isn't good enough for D1. He knows he's not going to get paid to play but he'd like to ball a few more years while he's young. Maybe he wants to got to the Ag school in VA in D2 to play some second level ball. Or maybe some nearby D3 to hang onto some of that HS glory.

"It should be even less for Syracuse to push NYC to mod. High risk, too
bad for NYC. Nothing to be angry about."

Zorzi, I disagree with this. I think it's the about right amount. If Syracuse can sign a kid for "nothing" than doesn't that makes very simple decisions for everyone. Why would a D3 team ever put resources into a D1 kid? They would literally do just enough to get the scholarship. Also, D1 teams would then spend every resource they had and there would never be any need to save some cash in reserve.

"Do we all agree that D1 and D3 should never battle for a recruit? Someone has reached too high or someone has dipped too low. Right?"

No, I don't agree with that.

There's a dozen kids every year in D3 that could play D1. It's like that in RL and it was like that in 2.0.

D3 gets less money than D1, even though that money is worth less "effort." Shouldn't AP be the same thing? And if not, shouldn't;t AP's power be reduced?