Check out the last minute of my NC game with Colorado School of Mines in Knight. Do let me say that the other guy had the best team. I thought going into the game I was about a 10 point underdog and if we played 10 times I would win 1 or maybe 2 times. But to lose a NC game in this manner is tough (and slightly ridiculous lol).

Up by 7 with 42 seconds to go. I proceed to make 3 out of 8 free throws in the last 42 seconds. My players that missed that many were rated in free throws at B+,B, and B- and none were tired. Included in that was 2 missed crucial free throws by the B+ player with 22 seconds to go. Then with 9 seconds to go I am still up by 3 and a player that I have double-teamed and who has a pedestrian 71 rating in perimeter drills a 3 pointer to tie it up. This was after the same double-teamed player hit another 3 with 16 seconds to go. Then with 0.00 on clock one of his dudes hits a full court shot to win the championship.

I must have really ****** off the WIS RNG Gods to lose like that lol.

Wow. I could probably live with blowing the 7 point lead but, full court shot, no.

I’ve never sniffed a NC game, so I’m in no position to tell someone how to coach....but that -2 defense in the final minute with the lead definitely didn’t help.

Either way, it’s still a brutal way to lose and a complete punch to the gut. The full court shot was the cherry on top lol.

that's obscene

I find it interesting that there was no spread listed for the game.

Posted by MWalpole on 1/21/2018 8:48:00 AM (view original):
I’ve never sniffed a NC game, so I’m in no position to tell someone how to coach....but that -2 defense in the final minute with the lead definitely didn’t help.

Either way, it’s still a brutal way to lose and a complete punch to the gut. The full court shot was the cherry on top lol.

I have to agree here. There was a lot of bad luck between the missed free throws and the fullcourt shot, but playing -2 in that last minute probably didn't help.

Uh, the dude nailing the threes was double-teamed. Plus +5 doesn't defend a full court shot.

It could have helped against the 3’s at :16 & :09

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 11:48:00 AM (view original):
Uh, the dude nailing the threes was double-teamed. Plus +5 doesn't defend a full court shot.

LMAO. Did you bother to read the pbp? I wasn't talking about the full court shot.

There was no double team on the guy, according to the pbp. It's possible playing -2 didn't allow the player that was supposed to double to get there in time. It's not a bad strategy for most of the game, but once you're up a certain amount of points with 1-3 minutes left or more, unless you can see in the pbp of their other games that might suggest they don't take 3's, when losing in the last few minutes of the game, it's best to go with a + defense in that situation. Only other circumstance that you play -2 is if you have a weak rebounding team, allowing two 3 point attempts at +2 where they get the offensive rebound could be more damaging as if they were to play a negative defense, while holding the other team to just one shot.

Posted by thewizard17 on 1/21/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 11:48:00 AM (view original):
Uh, the dude nailing the threes was double-teamed. Plus +5 doesn't defend a full court shot.

LMAO. Did you bother to read the pbp? I wasn't talking about the full court shot.

There was no double team on the guy, according to the pbp. It's possible playing -2 didn't allow the player that was supposed to double to get there in time. It's not a bad strategy for most of the game, but once you're up a certain amount of points with 1-3 minutes left or more, unless you can see in the pbp of their other games that might suggest they don't take 3's, when losing in the last few minutes of the game, it's best to go with a + defense in that situation. Only other circumstance that you play -2 is if you have a weak rebounding team, allowing two 3 point attempts at +2 where they get the offensive rebound could be more damaging as if they were to play a negative defense, while holding the other team to just one shot.

You are right thewizard17 on the -2. One of the problems with having so many teams is that sometimes I forget to adjust that part of the game plan when I take over a team and then never noticed it with this team. The oversight probably cost me a NC. Live and learn. I did go check my other 4 teams and all of them are at +2 when winning late. The one team I forgot to do it costs me. Oh well--that is why somebody invented microbrew beer lol.

FYI--The guy who made the 2 3's with 16 and 9 seconds to go was double teamed. Doesn't always state it on the pbp, but that guy was the only guy coming off of his bench who could score so I did double team him.

Posted by thewizard17 on 1/21/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 11:48:00 AM (view original):
Uh, the dude nailing the threes was double-teamed. Plus +5 doesn't defend a full court shot.

LMAO. Did you bother to read the pbp? I wasn't talking about the full court shot.

There was no double team on the guy, according to the pbp. It's possible playing -2 didn't allow the player that was supposed to double to get there in time. It's not a bad strategy for most of the game, but once you're up a certain amount of points with 1-3 minutes left or more, unless you can see in the pbp of their other games that might suggest they don't take 3's, when losing in the last few minutes of the game, it's best to go with a + defense in that situation. Only other circumstance that you play -2 is if you have a weak rebounding team, allowing two 3 point attempts at +2 where they get the offensive rebound could be more damaging as if they were to play a negative defense, while holding the other team to just one shot.

LMAO. Did you bother reading the initial post?

While I agree with your point, the OP said the player was doubled. Are you implying that he's lying?

Posted by bofreedom on 1/21/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 1/21/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 11:48:00 AM (view original):
Uh, the dude nailing the threes was double-teamed. Plus +5 doesn't defend a full court shot.

LMAO. Did you bother to read the pbp? I wasn't talking about the full court shot.

There was no double team on the guy, according to the pbp. It's possible playing -2 didn't allow the player that was supposed to double to get there in time. It's not a bad strategy for most of the game, but once you're up a certain amount of points with 1-3 minutes left or more, unless you can see in the pbp of their other games that might suggest they don't take 3's, when losing in the last few minutes of the game, it's best to go with a + defense in that situation. Only other circumstance that you play -2 is if you have a weak rebounding team, allowing two 3 point attempts at +2 where they get the offensive rebound could be more damaging as if they were to play a negative defense, while holding the other team to just one shot.

You are right thewizard17 on the -2. One of the problems with having so many teams is that sometimes I forget to adjust that part of the game plan when I take over a team and then never noticed it with this team. The oversight probably cost me a NC. Live and learn. I did go check my other 4 teams and all of them are at +2 when winning late. The one team I forgot to do it costs me. Oh well--that is why somebody invented microbrew beer lol.

FYI--The guy who made the 2 3's with 16 and 9 seconds to go was double teamed. Doesn't always state it on the pbp, but that guy was the only guy coming off of his bench who could score so I did double team him.

Trust me, I sympathize with what happened to your team in that last minute, especially with the missed FTs and full court shot.

I also noticed something else interesting. Look what happened at :39 seconds. Mang fouled out and Ono replaced him(fresh off the bench), same guy that hit the 2 3's. It's possible Mang doesn't hit those 3's being at least a bit more fatigued compared to Ono.

You would think the double team would be mentioned on each time he shoots the ball with an actual DT, but if that isn't the case, it could be somewhat misleading. It's almost impossible to double team on tip ins and break away layups and doesn't mention it, so was thinking it's possible he isn't always double teamed on every shot.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 1/21/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 11:48:00 AM (view original):
Uh, the dude nailing the threes was double-teamed. Plus +5 doesn't defend a full court shot.

LMAO. Did you bother to read the pbp? I wasn't talking about the full court shot.

There was no double team on the guy, according to the pbp. It's possible playing -2 didn't allow the player that was supposed to double to get there in time. It's not a bad strategy for most of the game, but once you're up a certain amount of points with 1-3 minutes left or more, unless you can see in the pbp of their other games that might suggest they don't take 3's, when losing in the last few minutes of the game, it's best to go with a + defense in that situation. Only other circumstance that you play -2 is if you have a weak rebounding team, allowing two 3 point attempts at +2 where they get the offensive rebound could be more damaging as if they were to play a negative defense, while holding the other team to just one shot.

LMAO. Did you bother reading the initial post?

While I agree with your point, the OP said the player was doubled. Are you implying that he's lying?

Did you read my post?lmao

Nobody doubts that the double team settings were in place. What I'm implying is just because you set it to DT a player, doesn't mean the DT is always going to work. That's all. But to be fair, I'm not 100% sure that if a DT is "on" that it's always listed in the pbp. It never does for fcp.

It's also misleading because you can't determine the effectiveness of a DT or if a player is just having a off shooting night.

Posted by thewizard17 on 1/21/2018 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bofreedom on 1/21/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 1/21/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 11:48:00 AM (view original):
Uh, the dude nailing the threes was double-teamed. Plus +5 doesn't defend a full court shot.

LMAO. Did you bother to read the pbp? I wasn't talking about the full court shot.

There was no double team on the guy, according to the pbp. It's possible playing -2 didn't allow the player that was supposed to double to get there in time. It's not a bad strategy for most of the game, but once you're up a certain amount of points with 1-3 minutes left or more, unless you can see in the pbp of their other games that might suggest they don't take 3's, when losing in the last few minutes of the game, it's best to go with a + defense in that situation. Only other circumstance that you play -2 is if you have a weak rebounding team, allowing two 3 point attempts at +2 where they get the offensive rebound could be more damaging as if they were to play a negative defense, while holding the other team to just one shot.

You are right thewizard17 on the -2. One of the problems with having so many teams is that sometimes I forget to adjust that part of the game plan when I take over a team and then never noticed it with this team. The oversight probably cost me a NC. Live and learn. I did go check my other 4 teams and all of them are at +2 when winning late. The one team I forgot to do it costs me. Oh well--that is why somebody invented microbrew beer lol.

FYI--The guy who made the 2 3's with 16 and 9 seconds to go was double teamed. Doesn't always state it on the pbp, but that guy was the only guy coming off of his bench who could score so I did double team him.

Trust me, I sympathize with what happened to your team in that last minute, especially with the missed FTs and full court shot.

I also noticed something else interesting. Look what happened at :39 seconds. Mang fouled out and Ono replaced him(fresh off the bench), same guy that hit the 2 3's. It's possible Mang doesn't hit those 3's being at least a bit more fatigued compared to Ono.

You would think the double team would be mentioned on each time he shoots the ball with an actual DT, but if that isn't the case, it could be somewhat misleading. It's almost impossible to double team on tip ins and break away layups and doesn't mention it, so was thinking it's possible he isn't always double teamed on every shot.

It never mentions on every shot that a coach has a double team on a player. At the 25 second mark you can see that player turned the ball over because of a double team on him. In my beer saturated brain I seem to remember a forum post from way back where someone had sent in a ticket to customer service asking about double teams and WIS said something along the lines of if a coach puts a double team on a player that the double team is not always successful in being applied. Maybe one of the older long time coaches on here remember something along those lines or can clarify that.

Certainly I wouldn't expect a player who is double teamed to miss every shot but just found it a bit of bad luck for a player, who was a mediocre perimeter player and I had assigned a double team--to knock in 2 clutch 3's with 16 and 9 seconds left.

Posted by thewizard17 on 1/21/2018 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 1/21/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/21/2018 11:48:00 AM (view original):
Uh, the dude nailing the threes was double-teamed. Plus +5 doesn't defend a full court shot.

LMAO. Did you bother to read the pbp? I wasn't talking about the full court shot.

There was no double team on the guy, according to the pbp. It's possible playing -2 didn't allow the player that was supposed to double to get there in time. It's not a bad strategy for most of the game, but once you're up a certain amount of points with 1-3 minutes left or more, unless you can see in the pbp of their other games that might suggest they don't take 3's, when losing in the last few minutes of the game, it's best to go with a + defense in that situation. Only other circumstance that you play -2 is if you have a weak rebounding team, allowing two 3 point attempts at +2 where they get the offensive rebound could be more damaging as if they were to play a negative defense, while holding the other team to just one shot.

LMAO. Did you bother reading the initial post?

While I agree with your point, the OP said the player was doubled. Are you implying that he's lying?

Did you read my post?lmao

Nobody doubts that the double team settings were in place. What I'm implying is just because you set it to DT a player, doesn't mean the DT is always going to work. That's all. But to be fair, I'm not 100% sure that if a DT is "on" that it's always listed in the pbp. It never does for fcp.

It's also misleading because you can't determine the effectiveness of a DT or if a player is just having a off shooting night.

Im pretty sure ive seen somewhere on the site (not the forums) that DT doesnt do anything in FCP, thus PBP not showing it. Can someone verify this?