Where would you bat this shortstop? I have had him batting 9th based on his other attributes being low but with 98 power he leads the team in HR and is just behind the team leader in RBI. Should he be higher in the order?

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He's a marginal shortstop because of his 80 glove rating. Combine that with his awful OBP, and I probably wouldn't even have him on your ML team, unless you have no better options. If you need to keep him on your ML team, then yes, last in the batting order.

# 1 He shouldn't play ss at least not on a regular basis. He can play any other position besides catcher. Id take him at cf, 2nd or 3rd all day long. I like to play in hitter parks and will take his 30+ homeruns and if played at those spots really good defense. But he would never play ss for me.

He would be just fine at SS. Is he going to win a gold glove? No. Is he going to be a +WAR player because of everything overall? Yes. Take the .750 OPS and medium defense. Many players overrate the importance of one single defensive attribute. 80 glove is not a huge deal

Posted by pjfoster13 on 4/15/2019 3:19:00 PM (view original):
He would be just fine at SS. Is he going to win a gold glove? No. Is he going to be a +WAR player because of everything overall? Yes. Take the .750 OPS and medium defense. Many players overrate the importance of one single defensive attribute. 80 glove is not a huge deal

I agree with this. A .750 OPS for a SS is a plus.

His fielding percentage is going to be dinged a bit because of the glove rating, but his strong ratings the other attributes will give him a good +/- play ratio. As it stands now, for his ML career, he has a .961 fielding percentage at SS, with a 15:0 plus to negative play ratio in just over 1,000 innings.

Agree with foster....don't overrate one attribute. Is the 80 glove ideal....no but the 97 arm certainly helps make up for it. 23 errors and 15 + plays in 118 starts at shorts isn't horrible. I won a WS with a guy playing SS all the way through the playoffs with 75/80/85/85. He probably played half the game in the season at short as well. Lots of ways to get from point a to point b in this game. I would have him hitting in the bottom third of my line up and move him up if he hit a hot streak.

Posted by pjfoster13 on 4/15/2019 3:19:00 PM (view original):
He would be just fine at SS. Is he going to win a gold glove? No. Is he going to be a +WAR player because of everything overall? Yes. Take the .750 OPS and medium defense. Many players overrate the importance of one single defensive attribute. 80 glove is not a huge deal

1) What pjf said above. He's actually about an average defensive SS; he'll make 8 or so errors more than an average SS per season, but will be about + 18-20 when an average SS is about + 10-12.
2) He's going to end a ton of rallies, both positively (with a HR) and negatively (with an out). I suppose it depends on your other options, but if you're batting him higher than 6th you have a bad lineup... I'd bat him ahead of your guys who can't hit at all but behind everyone who might ever get on base.

Posted by friarboy on 4/15/2019 8:23:00 AM (view original):
Where would you bat this shortstop? I have had him batting 9th based on his other attributes being low but with 98 power he leads the team in HR and is just behind the team leader in RBI. Should he be higher in the order?

https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=8446636

The one season of 186 strikeouts is impressive. I wonder how many times he thought he could hit the ball swinging from the on deck circle.

Posted by pjfoster13 on 4/15/2019 3:19:00 PM (view original):
He would be just fine at SS. Is he going to win a gold glove? No. Is he going to be a +WAR player because of everything overall? Yes. Take the .750 OPS and medium defense. Many players overrate the importance of one single defensive attribute. 80 glove is not a huge deal

To each his own I guess. Id personally never play anyone at ss with under 85 + at the def, range, arm areas. I do look forward to playing guys with less......

I like him.

Looking at his team Id play him at cf and find a decent 2nd baseman, 3rd baseman and a ss vs righties. If you cannot find a 2nd or 3rd baseman but a cf then this guy can play one of those.

Posted by brianp87 on 4/16/2019 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pjfoster13 on 4/15/2019 3:19:00 PM (view original):
He would be just fine at SS. Is he going to win a gold glove? No. Is he going to be a +WAR player because of everything overall? Yes. Take the .750 OPS and medium defense. Many players overrate the importance of one single defensive attribute. 80 glove is not a huge deal

To each his own I guess. Id personally never play anyone at ss with under 85 + at the def, range, arm areas. I do look forward to playing guys with less......

Par SS values are 80-85-85-85. Lots of people say "I need 85+ across the board" so maybe it's a misconception that the par is 85-85-85-85 but it's not, it's 80-85-85-85. Or maybe people just arbitrarily want the extra +5 at range for some reason. Nobody ever seems to say they want 80-85-90-85 even though it's the same thing.

Anyways, I digress, this guy in question is +9/-5/+12(!!!)/+2, he's actually more than an average defensive shortstop, he is an above average defensive shortstop. Guys don't grow on trees, everybody wants the $50 million IFA with 95-90-95-90 defense and 90 power 90 splits 90 eye 90 baserunning. Yeah sorry no, sometimes you have a weird guy with 99 power and 30 splits who gets very high + plays but imperfect fielding %. See players for what they are, appreciate the positives, value them appropriately.

I personally want 85 + in each def category. In this guys case the lack of glove is no where near offsetted by his hitting. Also the fact that he needs other better players at positions this guy can play id play him there and find a cheap def ss as they are more available then cf,2nd and 3rd baseman. But again this is just my opinion. This is what I would do. If he had studs at 3rd, cf and 2nd then it MAY be different but that is not the case.

Posted by brianp87 on 4/18/2019 12:00:00 PM (view original):
I personally want 85 + in each def category. In this guys case the lack of glove is no where near offsetted by his hitting. Also the fact that he needs other better players at positions this guy can play id play him there and find a cheap def ss as they are more available then cf,2nd and 3rd baseman. But again this is just my opinion. This is what I would do. If he had studs at 3rd, cf and 2nd then it MAY be different but that is not the case.

That's a personal preference, and it's by definition OK, it's yours-- but what pjf and I are saying is that just defensively, even before we talk about the bat, his glove is offset by his cannon of an arm. If he moved 7 AS points to glove he'd meet your criteria-- but he wouldn't be a meaningfully better defensive SS.

Posted by pjfoster13 on 4/18/2019 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by brianp87 on 4/16/2019 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by pjfoster13 on 4/15/2019 3:19:00 PM (view original):
He would be just fine at SS. Is he going to win a gold glove? No. Is he going to be a +WAR player because of everything overall? Yes. Take the .750 OPS and medium defense. Many players overrate the importance of one single defensive attribute. 80 glove is not a huge deal

To each his own I guess. Id personally never play anyone at ss with under 85 + at the def, range, arm areas. I do look forward to playing guys with less......

Par SS values are 80-85-85-85. Lots of people say "I need 85+ across the board" so maybe it's a misconception that the par is 85-85-85-85 but it's not, it's 80-85-85-85. Or maybe people just arbitrarily want the extra +5 at range for some reason. Nobody ever seems to say they want 80-85-90-85 even though it's the same thing.

Anyways, I digress, this guy in question is +9/-5/+12(!!!)/+2, he's actually more than an average defensive shortstop, he is an above average defensive shortstop. Guys don't grow on trees, everybody wants the $50 million IFA with 95-90-95-90 defense and 90 power 90 splits 90 eye 90 baserunning. Yeah sorry no, sometimes you have a weird guy with 99 power and 30 splits who gets very high + plays but imperfect fielding %. See players for what they are, appreciate the positives, value them appropriately.

Technical point-- when I called him "average" I meant not compared to par (average fielding pct, very few (+) or (-) plays), but to what guys in my world are playing at SS. He's better than par.