Anyone have a chart with how many points per game they value homecourt for each homecourt grade (D- to A+).

no, but i roughly look at a+ as being about 4 points off neutral, so like an 8 point spread from home vs away. the d/c grades are probably close to half of that.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/7/2020 5:00:00 PM (view original):
no, but i roughly look at a+ as being about 4 points off neutral, so like an 8 point spread from home vs away. the d/c grades are probably close to half of that.

They added Attendance to the window dressing I think its more like a +10 grab.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/7/2020 5:00:00 PM (view original):
no, but i roughly look at a+ as being about 4 points off neutral, so like an 8 point spread from home vs away. the d/c grades are probably close to half of that.

Yeah I have a+ at 4.2, I've studied that pretty rigorously. Is D- 2 points? 2 seems like a lot to me...

i'm trying to think of a time i would have played with a lot of d prestige teams - nothing comes to mind. d3 i felt like it was about half that advantage, about 2 points a game, that is where my about half was coming from. but i suppose that is mostly c/c+ ish teams, at least among the more competitive ones i would pay attention to?

I think it's a little more complicated than just saying that the home team gets a certain number of points. Here's what I THINK happens but you guys may know more than me.

I think each gameplay action (a shot, foul, turnover etc) has a calculated chance of happening based upon ratings, settings etc. Then the RNG rolls to see what the outcome is. It would make sense to me that each of these things gets a VERY slight boost for homecourt advantage that is then rolled into the RNG.

If it does work this way, then there are several factors to consider when looking at the total points gained from homecourt advantage - specifically tempo. Two teams running slowdown should reduce the impact of home court since you have fewer possessions to simulate and that are impacted by home court. But also the total points is going to be less. It doesn't make sense to me that HCA would at 2 points regardless of how many possessions are in the game.

But (again, if it does indeed work this way), and each possession gets this HCA boost, you should see a wide range of potential impact from HCA so it'd be more like the end result shows between 2-5 points rather than something super specific like 4.2pts.

benis, i think cub and i probably both agree with that, but at least i do. i think we are both just talking on average, whats the rough amount. hopefully :) most certainly, the impact of HCA is a small boost in a large number of RNG rolls, not some fixed points or something (how would that even be implemented??). not sure what the mechanism is - i used to have feelings about which areas were most impacted by HCA, but all that kind of stuff has since been lost to the fog of time. it could be as simple as a % increase for various ratings, but i kinda don't think so. i think there are specific things like turnovers which were targeted by the game devs, where the formulas actually include the home/away stuff like you are suggesting.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/8/2020 3:05:00 PM (view original):
benis, i think cub and i probably both agree with that, but at least i do. i think we are both just talking on average, whats the rough amount. hopefully :) most certainly, the impact of HCA is a small boost in a large number of RNG rolls, not some fixed points or something (how would that even be implemented??). not sure what the mechanism is - i used to have feelings about which areas were most impacted by HCA, but all that kind of stuff has since been lost to the fog of time. it could be as simple as a % increase for various ratings, but i kinda don't think so. i think there are specific things like turnovers which were targeted by the game devs, where the formulas actually include the home/away stuff like you are suggesting.

Yeh I understand it’s on a per possession basis

I think HCA effects certain outcomes but not all.

I thought it was:

fouls
fga
FTA

but not:

rebounds
turnovers
who or what type of shot

those are really the only decisions Right?


also, I think 4.5 points at A+ feels right but I do t have any data to support it

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/9/2020 4:28:00 PM (view original):
I think HCA effects certain outcomes but not all.

I thought it was:

fouls
fga
FTA

but not:

rebounds
turnovers
who or what type of shot

those are really the only decisions Right?


also, I think 4.5 points at A+ feels right but I do t have any data to support it

If they're trying to replicate real life, then fouls makes the most since because it's officials that are impacted by the home crowd.

But what do you mean by it affects FGA?

It's interesting that you all think the HCA is this sophisticated.

My theory: The game has a correction factor that kicks in at halftime to reduce the likelihood of big upsets. I think that's the only place the HCA gets factored in.

Posted by Benis on 4/9/2020 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/9/2020 4:28:00 PM (view original):
I think HCA effects certain outcomes but not all.

I thought it was:

fouls
fga
FTA

but not:

rebounds
turnovers
who or what type of shot

those are really the only decisions Right?


also, I think 4.5 points at A+ feels right but I do t have any data to support it

If they're trying to replicate real life, then fouls makes the most since because it's officials that are impacted by the home crowd.

But what do you mean by it affects FGA?

FG%, does the shot go in?

I am almost sure I read that in a developer chat somewhere . I could be wrong but I have been setting my +/- setting with HCA in mind for years.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/9/2020 8:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 4/9/2020 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/9/2020 4:28:00 PM (view original):
I think HCA effects certain outcomes but not all.

I thought it was:

fouls
fga
FTA

but not:

rebounds
turnovers
who or what type of shot

those are really the only decisions Right?


also, I think 4.5 points at A+ feels right but I do t have any data to support it

If they're trying to replicate real life, then fouls makes the most since because it's officials that are impacted by the home crowd.

But what do you mean by it affects FGA?

FG%, does the shot go in?

I am almost sure I read that in a developer chat somewhere . I could be wrong but I have been setting my +/- setting with HCA in mind for years.

I've read it too I am awaiting for the sheep to catch up.

Posted by kcsundevil on 4/9/2020 6:51:00 PM (view original):
It's interesting that you all think the HCA is this sophisticated.

My theory: The game has a correction factor that kicks in at halftime to reduce the likelihood of big upsets. I think that's the only place the HCA gets factored in.

I disagree a ton. I'll play teams who I see as even to me and consistently win at home and lose on the road. It's proven that HCA plays a factor.