Posted by topdogggbm on 5/20/2020 3:39:00 AM (view original):
Posted by shoe3 on 5/19/2020 11:22:00 PM (view original):
If late signing preference, probably not the first cycle, though it could be. Also could be the last day of recruiting. Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2. Early and EOP1 signing preference D1 pool players will definitely sign with a D2, if that’s the only offer on the table that first cycle of RS2.
"Whenever signing preference is often going to be the first cycle of RS2"
Not at all. The player will literally sign whenever. It's rare for me to have whenever signers, sign on the first cycle of RS2 at D2. Sure it can happen. But i wouldn't classify it as "often". Maybe more like "sometimes"
dogg and shoe are both partially right and both partially failing to capture the full picture.
whenever players sign at a significantly higher rate in session 1 than session 2, and once they have their signing cycle hit, they'll sign immediately as soon as there is an eligible team to sign them. roughly 75% of whenever recruits will sign by cycle 1 of session 2 or earlier, given the option. the best way to think of the signing preference is - think of it as actually a cycle - a specific cycle when that player is willing to sign. the early, late, etc just obfuscate that cycle and give you partial info. once the player hits that cycle, he'll always sign if he can, and before that, he never can. in reality there are 2 ways this could work, as best i can tell, but both are functionally equivalent to what i just described.
however - by the time you get to session 2, many of the whenever players have already signed in session 1. your experience with this will vary, which perhaps explains the shoe vs dogg observation discrepancy. meaning if you are looking at a certain slice of recruits, say top d1 recruits only (for d2 schools), then many of the whenever signers who are willing to sign in session 1 have probably already been signed (this is similar to high d1, where almost all worthwhile whenevers left in session 2 are there because they sign late - all the ones willing to sign early have already been signed). looking at the whenevers left, its very possible most of them are late cycle (session 2) signers. looking at a different slice - let's say d2 recruits who are mostly recruited by d3 school (who cannot sign them till session 2) - most of them are going to be available still because there wasn't an eligible signer. so its very possible to see different things, if you are looking at only a subset of the information (starting in session 2).
that said - you should be paying attention. you should know, in most cases, whether the whenever player you are after in session 2 had an eligible signer in session 1 or not. if they did not, then most likely (about 75%), they will sign on cycle 1. if they have had an eligible signer, you have a good chance of having some time to get involved. this is incredibly important when you are selecting session 2 targets.
5/20/2020 12:10 PM (edited)