Rule V Leg #70 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Angels made the last world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. (New this season) Division alignment will be determined randomly after team selection is complete.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1971-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1971-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1971 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
1/13/2021 10:47 PM (edited)
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Rule V Player Draft Order (teams in RED selected in franchise draft)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 15 987 1443 0.4062
2 D'backs 29 2171 2527 0.4621
3 Tigers 38 2911 3247 0.4727
4 Pirates 35 2698 2972 0.4758
5 Rockies 22 1706 1859 0.4785
6 Twins 41 3208 3436 0.4828
7 White Sox 21 1648 1754 0.4844
8 Rangers 28 2200 2337 0.4849
9 Brewers 37 2948 3050 0.4915
10 Angels 30 2401 2460 0.4939
11 Marlins 30 2406 2456 0.4949
12 Orioles 39 3133 3186 0.4958
13 Red Sox 51 4115 4148 0.4980
14 Blue Jays 47 3794 3822 0.4982
15 Expos 51 4126 4139 0.4992
16 Padres 37 2998 2997 0.5001
17 Mariners 46 3745 3710 0.5023
18 Indians 49 4000 3939 0.5038
19 Phillies 45 3680 3613 0.5046
20 Cubs 41 3354 3288 0.5050
21 Reds 42 3437 3368 0.5051
22 Royals 45 3719 3574 0.5099
23 Braves 50 4145 3955 0.5117
24 Mets 46 3817 3636 0.5121
25 Giants 47 3909 3708 0.5132
26 Cardinals 51 4277 3986 0.5176
27 Yankees 47 3959 3655 0.5200
28 Dodgers 50 4245 3857 0.5239
29 Astros 51 4381 3882 0.5302
30 A's 51 4387 3877 0.5309
1/14/2021 8:57 PM (edited)
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Rule V Franchise Draft (timed schedule starts THURSDAY 1/14)
  1. deathdealer 58-104 .358* Toronto Blue Jays*
  2. mussopini23 62-100 .383 Los Angeles Dodgers*
  3. alice 65-97 .401 Chicago White Sox*
  4. specsman 69-93 .426 Texas Rangers*
  5. captmurphy 70-92 .432 Atlanta Braves*
  6. zephyr1949 72-90 .444 New York Yankees*
  7. bigsteve12 75-87 .463 Minnesota Twins*
  8. Chisock 75-87 .463 New York Mets*
  9. tridentric 75-87 .463 St. Louis Cardinals*
  10. justinlee_24 78-84 .481 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals*
  11. nordawg 78-84 .481 Cleveland Indians*
  12. buddhagamer 81-81 .500 Houston Astros*
  13. rbow923 83-79 .512 Boston Red Sox*
  14. pumpkinmcp 84-78 .519 Colorado Rockies*
  15. ff09 88-74 .543 Oakland A’s*
  16. sinfonian11 91-71 .562 Chicago Cubs*
  17. sakensei 82-80 .506^ Cincinnati Reds*
  18. nyyfannova05 88-74 .543^ Seattle Mariners*
  19. fatguyrd 90-72 .556^ Arizona Diamondbacks*
  20. tjefferson 93-69 .574^ San Diego Padres*
  21. atheistdeals 94-68 .580^ Los Angeles Angels*
  22. trenchfoot 105-57 .648^ Philadelphia Phillies*
  23. bob_shabazz 98-64 .605% Tampa Bay Rays*
  24. alleyviper 90-72 .556$ Pittsburgh Pirates*
* third round keeper sent

* new owner
^ playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Division Alignment
NL East: Cardinals, Diamondbacks, Indians, Rays
NL Central: Reds, Dodgers, Rockies, Expos/Nationals
NL West: Rangers, Braves, Athletics, Yankees
AL East: Astros, Mets, Mariners, Padres
AL Central: Twins, Blue Jays, Pirates, Cubs
AL West: Red Sox, Phillies, Angels, White Sox

list for sitemailing: deathdealer; mussopini23; alice; specsman; captmurphy; zephyr1949; bigsteve12; Chisock; tridentric; justinlee_24; nordawg; buddhagamer; rbow923; pumpkinmcp; ff09; sinfonian11; sakensei; nyyfannova05; fatguyrd; tjefferson; atheistdeals; trenchfoot; bob_shabazz; alleyviper
1/20/2021 1:27 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule begins Monday 1/18)
  1. bob_shabazz - Tampa Bay Rays: Mark McGwire - STL
  2. fatguyrd - Arizona Diamondbacks: Tom Seaver - NYM
  3. alleyviper - Pittsburgh Pirates: Sammy Sosa - CHC
  4. pumpkinmcp - Colorado Rockies: Orel Hershiser - LAD
  5. bigsteve12 - Minnesota Twins: Max Scherzer - MON/WSH
  6. alice - Chicago White Sox: Andy Messersmith - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  7. specsman - Texas Rangers: Derek Lowe - BOS
  8. atheistdeals - Los Angeles Angels: Albert Belle - CLE
  9. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Jake Peavy - SDP
  10. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: TSMOPOAT - HOU
  11. justinlee_24 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Jimmy Rollins - PHI
  12. tjefferson - San Diego Padres: Mookie Betts - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  13. nyyfannova05 - Seattle Mariners: Matt Harvey - NYM
  14. nordawg - Cleveland Indians: Joey Votto - CIN
  15. trenchfoot - Philadelphia Phillies: Dick Allen - CHW
  16. sinfonian11 - Chicago Cubs: Charlie Blackmon - COL
  17. sakensei - Cincinnati Reds: Alex Rodriguez - NYY
  18. captmurphy - Atlanta Braves: Dave Righetti - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  19. Chisock - New York Mets: Willie McGee - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  20. tridentric - St. Louis Cardinals: Marcell Ozuna - ATL
  21. zephyr1949 - New York Yankees: Dallas Keuchel - CHW (White Sox off the board)
  22. mussopini23 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Jose Altuve - HOU (Astros off the board)
  23. buddhagamer - Houston Astros: Ellis Burks - COL (Rockies off the board)
  24. ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Chuck Knoblauch - MIN
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule TUESDAY 1/19)
  1. bob_shabazz - Tampa Bay Rays: Don Wilson - HOU
  2. fatguyrd - Arizona Diamondbacks: Yadier Molina - STL
  3. alleyviper - Pittsburgh Pirates: Kevin Brown - LAD
  4. pumpkinmcp - Colorado Rockies: TSMOPOAT - LAA
  5. bigsteve12 - Minnesota Twins: Manny Machado - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  6. alice - Chicago White Sox: Johnny Cueto - CIN
  7. specsman - Texas Rangers: Tim Hudson - OAK
  8. atheistdeals - Los Angeles Angels: Zach Plesac - CLE
  9. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Paul O’Neill - NYY
  10. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Dennis Martinez - MON/WSH
  11. justinlee_24 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Kevin Millwood - ATL
  12. tjefferson - San Diego Padres: Mark McGwire - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  13. nyyfannova05 - Seattle Mariners: Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  14. nordawg - Cleveland Indians: Bernie Williams - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  15. trenchfoot - Philadelphia Phillies: Howard Johnson - NYM
  16. sinfonian11 - Chicago Cubs: Andrew McCutchen - PIT
  17. sakensei - Cincinnati Reds: Fred Lynn - BOS
  18. captmurphy - Atlanta Braves: Alex Bregman - HOU (Astros off the board)
  19. Chisock - New York Mets: George Foster - CIN (Reds off the board)
  20. tridentric - St. Louis Cardinals: Lenny Dykstra - PHI
  21. zephyr1949 - New York Yankees: Kyle Hendricks - CHC
  22. mussopini23 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Rickey Henderson - TOR
  23. buddhagamer - Houston Astros: Jose Ramirez - CLE (Indians off the board)
  24. ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Mike Piazza - NYM (Mets off the board)
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule THURSDAY 1/21
  1. bob_shabazz - Tampa Bay Rays: DJ LeMahieu - NYY
  2. fatguyrd - Arizona Diamondbacks: John Valentin - BOS
  3. alleyviper - Pittsburgh Pirates: Roberto Alomar - TOR
  4. pumpkinmcp - Colorado Rockies: Don Sutton - HOU
  5. bigsteve12 - Minnesota Twins: Matt Carpenter - STL
  6. alice - Chicago White Sox: Joe Torre - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  7. specsman - Texas Rangers: Shawn Green - LAD
  8. atheistdeals - Los Angeles Angels: Mike Napoli - TEX
  9. rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Tony Gonsolin - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  10. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Robinson Cano - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  11. justinlee_24 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Dallas Keuchel - HOU (Astros off the board)
  12. tjefferson - San Diego Padres: Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH
  13. nyyfannova05 - Seattle Mariners: Gary Sheffield - SDP
  14. nordawg - Cleveland Indians: Dan Haren - LAA
  15. trenchfoot - Philadelphia Phillies: Mark Eichhorn - TOR (Blue Jays off the board)
  16. sinfonian11 - Chicago Cubs: Xander Bogaerts - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  17. sakensei - Cincinnati Reds: John Olerud - SEA
  18. captmurphy - Atlanta Braves: Steve Rogers - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  19. Chisock - New York Mets: Troy Percival - LAA (Angels off the board)
  20. tridentric - St. Louis Cardinals: Bruce Sutter - CHC
  21. zephyr1949 - New York Yankees: Rich Harden - OAK
  22. mussopini23 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Justin Morneau - MIN
  23. buddhagamer - Houston Astros: Rafael Furcal - ATL
  24. ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Ichiro Suzuki - SEA (Mariners off the board)
1/22/2021 10:12 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

bob_shabazz - Tampa Bay Rays: Blake Snell, Charlie Morton, Fernando Rodney, Ben Zobrist, Evan Longoria, Mark McGwire - STL, Austin Meadows, Don Wilson - HOU, Jake McGee, DJ LeMahieu - NYY

fatguyrd - Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Brandon Webb, Curt Schilling, Paul Goldschmidt, Luis Gonzalez, Tom Seaver - NYM, Ketel Marte, Yadier Molina - STL, Matt Williams, John Valentin - BOS

alleyviper - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Brian Giles, Willie Stargell, Rick Reuschel, Rich Gossage, Sammy Sosa - CHC, Jason Kendall, Kevin Brown - LAD, Doug Drabek, Roberto Alomar - TOR

pumpkinmcp - Colorado Rockies: Nolan Arenado, Troy Tulowitski, DJ LeMahieu, Larry Walker Todd Helton, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Ubaldo Jimenez, TSMOPOAT - LAA, Matt Holliday, Don Sutton - HOU

bigsteve12 - Minnesota Twins: Rod Carew, Joe Mauer, Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana, Kenta Maeda, Max Scherzer - MON/WSH, Bert Blyleven, Manny Machado - LAD, Francisco Liriano, Matt Carpenter - STL

alice - Chicago White Sox: Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Tim Anderson, Chris Sale, David Robertson, Andy Messersmith - LAD, Lucas Giolito, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Wilson Alvarez, Joe Torre - STL

specsman - Texas Rangers: Alex Rodriguez, Ivan Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, Adrian Beltre, TSMOPOAT, Derek Lowe - BOS, Rafael Palmero, Tim Hudson - OAK, Julio Franco, Shawn Green - LAD

atheistdeals - Los Angeles Angels: Mike Trout, Tim Salmon, Bobby Grich, Frank Tanana, Garrett Richards, Albert Belle - CLE, Jered Weaver, Zach Plesac - CLE, Mark Texeira, Mike Napoli - TEX

rbow923 - Boston Red Sox: Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Chris Sale, Wade Boggs, Nomar Garciaparra, Jake Peavy - SDP, Carlton Fisk, Paul O’Neill - NYY, JD Martinez, Tony Gonsolin - LAD

deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Carlos Delgado, John Olerud, Jose Bautista, Tony Fernandez, Roger Clemens, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Jimmy Key, Dennis Martinez - MON/WSH, BJ Ryan, Robinson Cano - NYY

justinlee_24 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Pedro Martinez, Tim Raines, Bryce Harper, Gary Carter, Juan Soto, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, Anthony Rendon, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Pascual Perez, Dallas Keuchel - HOU

tjefferson - San Diego Padres: Dinelson Lamet, Randy Jones, Kevin Brown, Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Mookie Betts - BOS, Fernando Tatis, Jr., Mark McGwire - OAK, Chris Young, Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH

nyyfannova05 - Seattle Mariners: Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Edgar Martinez, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Matt Harvey - NYM, Bret Boone, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH, Cliff Lee, Gary Sheffield - SDP

nordawg - Cleveland Indians: Shane Bieber, Corey Kluber, Gaylord Perry, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Joey Votto - CIN, Jim Thome, Bernie Williams - NYY, Victor Martinez, Dan Haren - LAA

trenchfoot - Philadelphia Phillies: Mike Schmidt, Chase Utley, Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Aaron Nola, Dick Allen - CHW, Bobby Abreu, Howard Johnson - NYM, Cole Hamels, Mark Eichhorn - TOR

sinfonian11 - Chicago Cubs: Yu Darvish, Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Ryne Sandberg, Derrek Lee, Charlie Blackmon - COL, Billy Williams, Andrew McCutchen - PIT, Rick Wilkins, Xander Bogaerts - BOS

sakensei - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Tom Seaver, Jose Rijo, Trevor Bauer, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Barry Larkin, Fred Lynn - BOS, Shin-Soo Choo, John Olerud - SEA

captmurphy - Atlanta Braves: Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Freddie Freeman, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Dave Righetti - NYY, Javy Lopez, Alex Bregman - HOU, Kris Medlen, Steve Rogers - MON/WSH

Chisock - New York Mets: John Olerud, David Wright, Dwight Gooden, Jacob DeGrom, Pedro Martinez, Willie McGee - STL, Edgardo Alfonzo, George Foster - CIN, Jose Reyes, Troy Percival - LAA

tridentric - St. Louis Cardinals: John Tudor, Adam Wainwright, Chris Carpenter, Albert Pujols, Ted Simmons, Marcell Ozuna - ATL, Ozzie Smith, Lenny Dykstra - PHI, AFTBOAT, Bruce Sutter - CHC

zephyr1949 - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Mariano Rivera, Don Mattingly, Derek Jeter, Dallas Keuchel - CHW, Goose Gossage, Kyle Hendricks - CHC, Rickey Henderson, Rich Harden - OAK

mussopini23 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Fernando Valenzuela, Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Mike Piazza, Jose Altuve - HOU, Adrian Beltre, Rickey Henderson - TOR, Gary Sheffield, Justin Morneau - MIN

buddhagamer - Houston Astros: Justin Verlander, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Ellis Burks - COL, Gerrit Cole, Jose Ramirez - CLE, Craig Biggio, Rafael Furcal - ATL

ff09 - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Chuck Knoblauch - MIN, Jose Canseco, Mike Piazza - NYM, Rich Hill, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
1/22/2021 10:13 AM (edited)
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Thanks for setting up yet again Sin!
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Toronto Blue Jays
1/13/2021 2:10 PM
mussopini23
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I will go with a team I think I either have never used, or used 1 time a LONG time ago - Los Angeles Dodgers
1/13/2021 2:40 PM
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Chicago White Sox
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Texas Rangers
1/13/2021 6:05 PM
captmurphy
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Atlanta Braves
1/13/2021 6:23 PM
zephyr1949
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New York Yankees
1/13/2021 6:29 PM
bigsteve12
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We'll try the Twins
1/13/2021 8:45 PM
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New York Mets
1/14/2021 7:24 AM
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I went through all of the legs that I have participated in and believe it or not, there were 9 teams I had never selected. 4 of them have been chosen so far this leg so I will take one that hasn't been and I am at present well prepared to draft.

St. Louis Cardinals
1/14/2021 9:02 AM
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