Diagnostics for Leadoff Hitters II Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 2/20/2008
I'm not sure... it would show the guys putting the ball in play aren't doing so hot, either.
Not many people do, facing a hot pitcher.
You really thing that proves something?
And if you do, you comfrotable with what that says about your brain power? You know there's more to serious statistics work than this, right?
It can only be considered funny that Mikey's reaction to this was to declare victory.

Not that he was ever in danger of getting bored with declaring victory.
2/20/2008 8:31 PM
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It's mikey refusing to put his money where his yapper is.
I offered a perfectly reasonable counter wager - Mikey believes that putting the ball in play for outs creates more runs than striking out does.
Why wouldn't he wager that there would be a correlation between Ks in a game and Runs Scored?
Because he's mikey being mikey all week - arguing just to argue. Afraid to put his money where his yapper is.
2/20/2008 8:33 PM
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So "hot" pitchers don't induce ground balls? Must the "hot" pitcher strike players out to be "hot"? Hmmmm....interesting concept.
2/20/2008 8:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008

I'm saying if a team strikes out 14 times in a game that they will score less than the league average. I picked 14 because it's more than 50% of the outs made.
Are you willing to accept this bet?



Yes or no? This should provide plenty of correlation. Strike out a lot, don't score much.
2/20/2008 8:35 PM
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With outs being outs, it seems a "hot" pitcher could induce a groundball and prevent runs. I guess that doesn't happen in bosuxland.
2/20/2008 8:36 PM
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Hell, groundballs should be preferred. He could finish the game with 27 pitches.
2/20/2008 8:36 PM
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Especially since there's no correlation between a shitpile of whiffs and runs.
2/20/2008 8:37 PM
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You think you're really onto something - that's funny.
That means you don't think that it's easily seen through that your wager is stupid.
Which is hilarious.
2/20/2008 8:43 PM
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MIKEY - why won't you accept my wager that there's no correlation between strikeouts in a game and runs scored?
Because you're afeared to put your money where your mouth is?
2/20/2008 8:44 PM
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Okay that's it. I'm upping my time frame on learning to Hack and will close this thread.
2/20/2008 8:47 PM
bosoxbill
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If we thought you could learn anything, ever, we'd all be powerfully afeared.
2/20/2008 8:49 PM
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If an out is an out, it shouldn't matter if over half in a game are strikeouts, right?
I'm taking the 50%+ groundout/flyout and offering you the 50%+ strikeout.
Seems fair. Except you and nuke seem to not care for it. Because you know you're wrong.
Good day.
2/20/2008 8:51 PM
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Mike, I said I'd gladly accept your wager with a couple conditions:

- You do the work
- You track ALL the K's and ALL the runs scored of ALL games.

Then, if there is evidence that teams score more runs overall when they strikeout less, you win.

2/20/2008 8:56 PM
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If putting the ball in play for an out helps you score runs, that should hold up across the board, right?
I'm offering you the chance to bet that there's a correlation between Ks and Runs Scored.
Seems fair. Except you don't seem to care for it. Because you know you're wrong.
Good day.
2/20/2008 8:59 PM
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Aren't we overlooking the fact that this thread is a diagnostic for leadoff hitters? The reason there's no overall correlation between Ks and runs is that the players who strikeout the most are also the players who hit a sh*tpile of homeruns. For a guy with little power who relies on speed (read: leadoff hitter), strikeouts would severely cut into his productivity. Little chance to reach base via an error, no chance to reach base via an infield hit, etc.
2/20/2008 9:05 PM
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