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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/21/2009
Quote: Originally posted by tednash on 7/21/2009
Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/200
FWIW:

MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974

HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962

sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts

You say that like it is a good thing, but I think it means the sim is probably at least a little off at assigning errors. I would think that in the RL MLB, if about half the 1Bs got moved to SS for the added offense that .971 F% would go well below .962. Of course, that is just anecdotal, but their is a reason they don't play SS and it is because they would make more errors if they played there. Right?

First basemen don't play SS because their range would be abysmal, not because they'd make more errors. They might actually have a better than average fielding %, because they'd only get to the really easy chances
What the hell are you smoking?
7/21/2009 3:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/21/2009

First basemen don't play SS because their range would be abysmal, not because they'd make more errors. They might actually have a better than average fielding %, because they'd only get to the really easy chances
Talk about baseless claims.
7/21/2009 3:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 7/21/2009
I thought WIS was cleaning up the forums.

I guess they have done it as well as they usually do, eh?

Well, you're still here... so... yeah.
7/21/2009 3:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 7/21/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tednash on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009

FWIW:

MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974

HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962

sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts


You say that like it is a good thing, but I think it means the sim is probably at least a little off at assigning errors. I would think that in the RL MLB, if about half the 1Bs got moved to SS for the added offense that .971 F% would go well below .962. Of course, that is just anecdotal, but their is a reason they don't play SS and it is because they would make more errors if they played there. Right?
what the hell point are you trying to make?

Well, you're both talking about 1B's playing SS. Neither point seems particularly cogent.

No one believes there are too few capable SS's being created, so this thread has long outlived its usefulness.

I want to address the highlited point.

If the league says that SSs should be 80/85/85/85 and almost every league has about 30 total and most coaches say they pursue good def SSs whenever they see them...

How can we say that there are enough cabable SSs being produced.

I know you will slap you head and think i am an idiot for asking, but I cannot see how you came to this with the overwelming numbers evidence.

So lets break it down

1 I assume you admit there are not enough SSs with the ratings HBD says are correct for SSs?

2 Do you think you dont need to have this ratings?

3 If 2 is correct, do you not worry about the alarming rate of errors HBD SSs are making?
7/21/2009 4:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/20/2009

My MG SS is 82/88/86/85. Just barely the recommended ratings. He made 20 errors in 158 games while fielding .977. RF of 5.77.



In MLB 2009, one SS with 50+ games played has a RF over 5. Andrus, 77 games, 5.36 RF.

9 SS, with 50+ GP, have .977+ fielding percentage.

How, again, is fielding "broken"?



7/21/2009 4:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tednash on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009

FWIW:

MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974

HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962

sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts


You say that like it is a good thing, but I think it means the sim is probably at least a little off at assigning errors. I would think that in the RL MLB, if about half the 1Bs got moved to SS for the added offense that .971 F% would go well below .962. Of course, that is just anecdotal, but their is a reason they don't play SS and it is because they would make more errors if they played there. Right?
what the hell point are you trying to make?

Well, you're both talking about 1B's playing SS. Neither point seems particularly cogent.

No one believes there are too few capable SS's being created, so this thread has long outlived its usefulness.

I want to address the highlited point.

If the league says that SSs should be 80/85/85/85 and almost every league has about 30 total and most coaches say they pursue good def SSs whenever they see them...

How can we say that there are enough cabable SSs being produced.

I know you will slap you head and think i am an idiot for asking, but I cannot see how you came to this with the overwelming numbers evidence.

So lets break it down

1 I assume you admit there are not enough SSs with the ratings HBD says are correct for SSs?

2 Do you think you dont need to have this ratings?

3 If 2 is correct, do you not worry about the alarming rate of errors HBD SSs are making?

1. No. I do not admit this.

2. I think that you can make a judgement as to how much below the recommended ratings you are willing to allow.

3. Not in the slightest. SSs who are below the recommended ratings make more errors than the average of MLB, and those who are above make fewer. I'm not sure we, as HBD players, could possibly ask for more!
7/21/2009 4:19 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/21/2009do you not worry about the alarming rate of errors HBD SSs are making
zero evidence provided to support this claim at a macro level
7/21/2009 4:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/21/2009If the league says that SSs should be 80/85/85/85
on the page where you can change player positons, you might note the words above those ratings guideline that say "Big League Average" ... note that it does NOT say "Minimum Acceptable Rating"
7/21/2009 4:29 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/21/2009If the league says that SSs should be 80/85/85/85 [no, YOU say that, in order to try to support your make-believe]..
...

So lets break it down

1 I assume you admit there are not enough SSs with the ratings HBD says are correct for SSs? [HBD says no such thing. WIS says no such thing. Admin says no such thing. Swamp, you're alone in this fabrication.]

2 Do you think you dont need to have this ratings? [what would that be in English?]

3 If 2 is correct, do you not worry about the alarming rate of errors HBD SSs are making? [My SS's perform as I would expect them to perform. So do everyone else's.]
Now go away.
7/21/2009 4:39 PM
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Good Lord, swamp... you've made me agree with the troll.
7/21/2009 4:41 PM
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I think swamphawk should relocate his franchise to Lake Wobegon.
7/21/2009 4:42 PM
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<< No one believes there are too few capable SS's being created, so this thread has long outlived its usefulness. >>

What should I have said to be clearer, "No one in his right mind ..."?
7/21/2009 4:47 PM
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It always makes me re-evaluate my thinking when snake starts to make sense...
7/21/2009 5:04 PM
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Two things you should do:

1. Kick yourself in the nuts for reading his drivel.
2. Kick yourself in the nuts for giving him the attention he so badly desires.
7/21/2009 5:08 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/21/2009
Two things you should do:

1. Kick yourself in the nuts for reading his drivel.
2. Kick yourself in the nuts for giving him the attention he so badly desires.

I'm not that flexible.
7/21/2009 5:12 PM
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