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Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 1/01/2010

... I like that data too, but it's a small sample size; one league with the current season 100 games done. Look at the overall data for all leagues and look at it with the perspective that only the upper echelon of HR hitters have changed.

"The change we put in place only impacts the upper echelon of HR hitters and only impacts HR".

I am not nearly ambitious enough to want to try to pull that off. This is a good enough sample to be pretty strong evidence, I think - it's over 3400 games and 84,000 AB total for your S6(roughly 5,000 - 10,000 AB in each grouping). I'd be surprised if other leagues weren't pretty similar.

I doesn't answer all the concerns some people have with the update but I was just curious about the impact of the update on HR and the power distribution across ratings.

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Quote: Originally Posted By trsnoke on 1/01/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 1/01/2010

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I like that data too, but it's a small sample size; one league with the current season 100 games done. Look at the overall data for all leagues and look at it with the perspective that only the upper echelon of HR hitters have changed.

"The change we put in place only impacts the upper echelon of HR hitters and only impacts HR".

I am not nearly ambitious enough to want to try to pull that off. This is a good enough sample to be pretty strong evidence, I think - it's over 3400 games and 84,000 AB total for your S6(roughly 5,000 - 10,000 AB in each grouping). I'd be surprised if other leagues weren't pretty similar.

I doesn't answer all the concerns some people have with the update but I was just curious about the impact of the update on HR and the power distribution across ratings.

I think that the evidence you provided shows that HR and slugging are down for all ratings, which is proof enough that the update effected all players.

I think the dev chat answer wasnt detailed enough, and what they probably mean is that guys that hit 80 hrs now hit 60 and guys that hit 40 now hit 35, so the guys that hit 80 are affected A LOT more but they aren't the only one effected. But that makes sense, if its % based it means that the guys that hit more will have a bigger drop off.

Quote: Originally posted by mark3313 on 1/01/2010I like that data too, but it's a small sample size; one league with the current season 100 games done. Look at the overall data for all leagues and look at it with the perspective that only the upper echelon of HR hitters have changed.

mark, why are you looking at the data with any perspective at all? Shouldn't the data be pointing you towards an interpretation -- not the other way around?

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by mark3313 on 1/01/2010 I like that data too, but it's a small sample size; one league with the current season 100 games done. Look at the overall data for all leagues and look at it with the perspective that only the upper echelon of HR hitters have changed.

mark, why are you looking at the data with any perspective at all? Shouldn't the data be pointing you towards an interpretation -- not the other way around

talk about trolling.

let me rephrase this:

Suppose, for aurgument sake, they did only change the
"upper echelon of HR hitters and only impacts HR". So if everyone else has stayed the same, wouldn't you agree, then, those hitters changed must be dramatically under-performing in order to bring down the overall OPS of all leagues from .780 to .752 in two months ?

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I dont listen to anything admin says, I just assume any change they will make they will screw up and any answer they give will be a lie.

Quote: Originally posted by mark3313 on 1/01/2010let me rephrase this:

Suppose, for aurgument sake, they did only change the
"upper echelon of HR hitters and only impacts HR". So if everyone else has stayed the same, wouldn't you agree, then, those hitters changed must be dramatically under-performing in order to bring down the overall OPS of all leagues from .780 to .752 in two months ?

OK, let's chase that hound.

1) What percentage of hitters do you think fall in the category of "upper echelon"? What percentage of a world's plate appearances do you think they account for?

2) Now do the math and figure out how much all those hitters, as a group, must have declined to explain a worldwide 32 point drop in OPS.

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Then give me some data that suggests those "upper echelon" power hitters were exclusively targeted by the update, hart.