Quote: Originally posted by mrtheedge on 1/13/2010I believe that it was said in one of the Developer's Chats that expanding the records page any further would make for a real difficult time in programming.

I think the issue with expanding the records page is not programming but memory space

Also, for those of you who are worried about deserving guys getting in during their first year of eligibility, take a look at the 1936 HOF Voting.

Quote: Originally posted by shobob on 1/13/2010

Quote: Originally posted by mrtheedge on 1/13/2010I believe that it was said in one of the Developer's Chats that expanding the records page any further would make for a real difficult time in programming.

I think the issue with expanding the records page is not programming but memory space

that's right

Quote: Originally posted by mrtheedge on 1/13/2010I believe that it was said in one of the Developer's Chats that expanding the records page any further would make for a real difficult time in programming.

My question:

In the event that a pitcher starts out as a Starting pitcher, and eventually becomes a reliever, what happens? For example, Zachrey Cone in UBA has been and remains a starting pitcher with stats that would easily put him in the hall. But, with his stamina dwindling, I expect to put him in the bullpen very soon, hopefully to prolong his career. Say he is a starter for 12 seasons, then is a closer for 4. What happens to qualifications then?

Yes they said that, but I think part of that is if they expanded it they were looking at expanding every team from 5 to 10 or 20, which times 32 teams would be a bunch.

But if you just expanded the world stats, and not each team's it would be much less stress on the database.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrtheedge on 1/13/2010Also, for those of you who are worried about deserving guys getting in during their first year of eligibility, take a look at the 1936 HOF Voting.

It was all downhill after that...

Quote: Originally posted by shobob on 1/13/2010

Quote: Originally posted by mrtheedge on 1/13/2010I believe that it was said in one of the Developer's Chats that expanding the records page any further would make for a real difficult time in programming.

I think the issue with expanding the records page is not programming but memory space

Disk is cheap. Considering that they're already storing all of the ratings and all of the historical stats for every season for every player who ever played HBD, this is really a non-issue.

It might be speed/performance issue during rollover (when records are tallied)... but its not a disk issue.

Quote: Originally posted by patrickm885 on 1/13/2010It's the franchise that he played the most seasons for in his career.

What if he played for one "franchise" the entire time, but 5 different owners and thus 5 different cities and 5 different caps?

Quote: Originally posted by jimmystick on 1/14/2010

Quote: Originally posted by patrickm885 on 1/13/2010It's the franchise that he played the most seasons for in his career.

What if he played for one "franchise" the entire time, but 5 different owners and thus 5 different cities and 5 different caps?

patrick seemed to say that he would go in with the cap of wherever that franchise is now...

Couple of things, the threshhold it's at now will not allow clearly starter C to be nominated by users. Seems the threshhold should be 300 AB/season.

Also seems to me that if 20 votes are required, and a team only gets 5 votes per season, that a lot of players that should get in won't, especially since there will be a ton (assumedly) of nominees at first. Maybe give a team 20% or 25% of votes of the eligible players list? To begin a HOF, you probably want more than 2-4 players inducted.

Patrick, how many (computer nominated) players will an average world have?

Seriously, guys, how many players do you think you should have in a HOF? It sounds like some of you are going to be inducting 120 win pitchers with 4.28 ERA, 297 homer hitters that batted .282 and fielders with 4 gold gloves at 3B.

Maybe I'm not understanding this, but aren't players eligible in one of two ways? That is, if they meet certain statistical thresholds or by user nomination? If so, then those 300 AB/season catchers would still be eligible if you nominated them. Otherwise, they (quite rightly) won't be considered.

Also, those 1936 HOF votes are fascinating. George Sisler got more votes than Lou Gehrig? Lajoie and Speaker got more than Hornsby? Perceptions have changed a bit over the ensuing 74 years.

The user nomination guys still have to meet statistical eligibility requirements. 300 AB catchers would fall below the eligibility threshold.

I have a feeling that in some worlds, the HOF will be more like the "Hall of Pretty Good".

The voting process also opens up a small can of worms for owners to make some backroom deals ("you vote for my guy and I'll vote for yours").

tec is correct. patrick listed the minimum for nominations. Personally, I think they should be lowered. Nomination is not induction. If I want to nominate a guy who pitched for me in tandem, and therefore doesn't meet SP or RP requirements, good for me. Convincing people to vote for my guy because he won 75 and saved 83 is the hard part.

Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 1/13/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By patrickm885 on 1/13/2010
Hey guys,

Here are some details on how the HOF is going to work. I'll answer any other questions you might have throughout the day and the coming weeks until we release it.

Each individual world will have their own HOF. We are not implementing an "All Worlds HOF" just yet. HOF eligibility will be retroactive for all seasons in every world. So players that played in season 10, retired, and qualify in a world currently in season 15 will be eligible to be nominated. Voting is all user based and a player needs 20 votes to be inducted into the HOF.

Eligibility for the HOF is two fold, there are automatic nominations that the AI processes. These players are automatically eligible to be voted into the HOF (criteria below). Users will get to nominate players that fit the criteria listed below as well. Users can nominate any player that played on his franchise at any point during his career.

Criteria is as follows:

Auto-nominations-
Position Players: 7+ Silver Slugger, 10+ Gold Gloves, 7+ All Star Appearances, 3+ MVPs, 500+ HRs, or 3,000+ Hs

Pitchers: 7+ All Star Appearances, 3+ Fireman of the Year, 3+ Cy Young Awards, 300+ wins, 3000+ Ks, or 500+ SVs

User nominations-
Position players: 10+ years of ML experience with 400+ PA per season.
Relief pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 50+ IP per season.
Starting pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 150+ IP per season.

Will this refer to the franchise or the owner? I could easily see a situation where a guy played 5 seasons for one club, then six fo another, then waits 5 seasons post-retirement, and by the time he can be nominated, no one who actually owned him is in the World. Will new owners be able to nominate a player who played for their franchise, but before they owned it?



Also, why the 5-season waiting period? I know that's how it is in real life, but in real life players can un-retire, which is why they have the waiting period (i.e. so we don't have HOFers back playing in MLB 2 years later). Since HBD players don't un-retire, a shorter waiting period could be effective.

i think i agree here..... make it a 1 year waiting period