diablo11, I normally stay out of this, but you're off base if you think mlatsko would be fired. PSU he'd be on thin ice I think, if he doesn't get back in 2 seasons he might get fired. Cincinnati, he'd be golden, same with UNC.

By your logic, you probably think Bo Ryan should be fired from Wisconsin. I mean he hasn't even taken the Badgers to the final four yet.

13 seasons and NEVER getting out of the second rd is golden? I think people have higher expectations and if that's his ceiling (which I proved many a time), I would go a different direction as I believe most ADs would.

But in this game, it's what WIS thinks that matters. He's earning reward points and free seasons and is happy with that. Why is that a problem?

Quote: Originally posted by diablo11 on 4/19/2010Absolutely fired from PSU.  The utter lack of success at Cincy would also get your fired.  One and done would not cut it year after year in the real world.  UNC you'd be ok with a Title game appearance.  But, choking (as usual) and the only coach with two losing seasons in the history would have you on thin ice.....especially if you could get a real coach in there to take them over the top. 

I pretty much stopped at your first 4 words. I'd be a regarded as a hero @ PSU with that string of success. You'd think a "Penn" grad might have a clue about PSU's basketball track record.

diablo11, show me a program that isn't the elite of the elite where 10 straight NT showings and 11 out of 12 got fired in RL, they might be out there, but I doubt it. I'm not saying it's great, I'm saying no one is going to fire him, unless it's an ultra elite school, one of those 6 or 8 schools that are perpetually in the talk of a championship each year (and I personally don't think even then), and Cincinnati is not one of those schools.

It's obvious that chump is only interested in funding his next seasons collapse. Is the ultimate goal of EVERY team to win a championship? yes. Can he prove he get take PSU there? Absolutely not. Can he prove that with Cincy he can lead them to the next level? Absolutely not.

As an AD why would you stick with someone who obviously has a low ceiling? Different sport, but isn't that why Tony Dungy got fired from TB? Isn't that why Dan Reeves was fired from DEN? I'd have no problem pulling the plug on that fraud and going after a legit coach.

No, it's not the goal of every school and AD to win a championship in every sport because of scarce resources. In the NCAA it's also a goal to stay off probation, graduate players, etc. That is also built into coaches' contracts.
All programs at all levels put different levels of emphases on different sports.

Penn State would be thrilled to have a consistent one-and-done basketball program while they would be happy with nothing less than BCS contender in football. But the AD wouldn't (and obviously doesn't in real life) demand championships in both. It depends on what the boosters want. What planet do you watch college sports on?

The ultimate goal, yes, I give you that... but that doesn't mean that's the measuring stick for success. There are very few, if any, college basketball programs where winning a championship is a requirement to keep your job. Most don't even require you to make the postseason on any regular basis. The expectations at Joe Schmoe School for the Arts in the Southland conference aren't the same as Penn State, which aren't the same as Duke... Being in a Big Six program doesn't necessarily mean you have to win a championship to be considered successful.

And pro football and college basketball are two entirely different beasts, there are quite a few things that even the playing field in the NFL that the Super Bowl is the goal for almost all changes in management, but even still the timetable is different for each team.

If that is indeed the goal, d-blo, you should be immediately fired from your remaining school since that's obviously never going to happen for you with any team you yourself build. Additionally, you should most likely be barred from being hired anywhere as a precaution, to keep your renowned failure cloud from causing their basketball programs to implode.

Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 4/19/2010If that is indeed the goal, d-blo, you should be immediately fired from your remaining school since that's obviously never going to happen for you with any team you yourself build. Additionally, you should most likely be barred from being hired anywhere as a precaution, to keep your renowned failure cloud from causing their basketball programs to implode

More of a chance happening with me than you. 103 season 1 title!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Maybe....maybe not. Obviously, if the coach is hamstrung because the university doesn't give him the funds to go recruit all over the country, that makes sense.

However, getting to the NT is not a feat in the 13th season. Getting to the second rd. is not either. There is no improvement whatsoever. In fact, PSU is regressing. How do you keep a fraud who just is par for the course?

But doomey's point still stands. Under your own standard, you're a "fraud" too.

Quote: Originally posted by diablo11 on 4/19/2010Maybe....maybe not.  Obviously, if the coach is hamstrung because the university doesn't give him the funds to go recruit all over the country, that makes sense.  However, getting to the NT is not a feat in the 13th season.  Getting to the second rd. is not either.  There is no improvement whatsoever.  In fact, PSU is regressing.  How do you keep a fraud who just is par for the course?

No, Rynoman01's point made perfect sense. Different ADs put different priorities on sports depending on what boosters want and what generates revenue. For Penn State, the emphasis is obviously football, not basketball. So, they're content to have coaches that never make the NT. Football is going to get the better facilities, money, etc. b/c boosters could give a rip about most other sports.

It's that way at EVERY school for EVERY sport. Because of Title IX, ADs have to keep sports that are very unprofitable simply b/c of gender equity. He's not going to demand the women's volleyball coach win championships whereas he might of the basketball boach. Because boosters demand it, and they would have him fired if the basketball team doesn't win but the majority don't give a rip about volleyball. So, he might keep on a "fraud" of a volleyball coach (in your words) b/c the marginal cost of getting another one outweighs the marginal benefit.

What you say should be punished as "regressing" or maintaining the status quo doesn't make good business sense.

And please stop using the word "fraud" incorrectly. Under your standard, Roy Williams was a fraud at Kansas. Gene Keady was a fraud at Purdue, etc. Everyone coaching this game is/was a "fraud" at some point in your definition, so it no longer makes any sense to call people that.

hey diablo, where you going after South Carolina?

Not sure.....I've been trying to cut back on teams. I had 4 GD teams and 3 HD teams and it was too much. I might jump back into DII Phelan....