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Posted by jhsukow on 3/13/2021 11:45:00 PM (view original):
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3/14/2021 12:00 AM

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I deserved that. I knew I was in trouble when I got Ash's proxy list- I thought I could grab one of the three. Hate the Marques pick. Sorry for the hold up guys.

3/14/2021 12:05 AM

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Vucevic- I deserve that too. I should have just taken him instead of trying to wait.

commencing TILT

3/14/2021 12:07 AM

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Posted by mikee1 on 3/14/2021 12:06:00 AM (view original):
I deserved that. I knew I was in trouble when I got Ash's proxy list- I thought I could grab one of the three. Hate the Marques pick. Sorry for the hold up guys.

I hope you understand I was just trying to make light of it and plug my weird marvel posts.

I like Johnson is this format.

3/14/2021 12:08 AM

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Posted by jhsukow on 3/14/2021 12:08:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mikee1 on 3/14/2021 12:06:00 AM (view original):
I deserved that. I knew I was in trouble when I got Ash's proxy list- I thought I could grab one of the three. Hate the Marques pick. Sorry for the hold up guys.
I hope you understand I was just trying to make light of it and plug my weird marvel posts.

I like Johnson is this format.

Of course understood- loved the meme.

Marques is available for trade!

3/14/2021 12:12 AM

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Posted by dBKC on 3/13/2021 11:53:00 AM (view original):
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Cmcafeeky: LeBron, Larry Nance, Robert Parish, Joakim Noah

Getting Noah was clever. LeBron is best when playing PG, but you’ll need to get some assists elsewhere in order to pull that off. Parish has a variety of different types of seasons to play with - sometimes he can be a great 2nd banana to LeBron, other times he can be a more balanced sidekick. Good start, but I would’ve been too tempted to go with Paul George at the end of round 2. You’ll be hunting for 3s quite a bit going forward. Rebounding and D should be strong.

jhsukow: Wilt, Bill Russell, Kyrie Irving, Kobe Bryant

This is pretty scary, tbh. Two fantastic rebounders up front, one of the best 3pt shooters in the SIM, and then Kobe’s do-it-all profile. Also you have 3 absolute minutes beasts. Assists will be just meh, which is a huge pivot for you. I think you made the right pick in all 4 rounds, but you have very specific needs for your 5th starter and I’m interested to see if you can get it.

jkaye24: Steph Curry, KAT, Donyell Marshall, Pau Gasol

At first glance, I don’t like Gasol as KAT’s frontcourt partner. However, Jkaye is a monster in savage (2nd place last season) so I’ll trust his process. The shooting is absolutely fantastic, and the D is just okay, there will be lots of 300 point games for this team, but having Steph in the clutch means you’ll probably win most of them. Curious to see who your 5th starter will be, could go in a few directions. I think you’re primed to grab a great player that doesn’t fit most teams since your build will allow it.

tarheel1991: Shaq, Tyson Chandler, Mookie Blaylock, Jrue

4 great players...interesting fit. Shaq is an incredible scorer but just an okay rebounder. Tyson is a good defender and extremely efficient but just an okay rebounder as well. Combine that with what appears to be Jrue at SG and I don’t think this team will win many rebounding battles. However, the passing looks good with a Mookie/Jrue backcourt, and the efficiency with those two feeding Shaq/Tyson will be good. Mookie stretching the floor for Shaq is nice too. Little dilemma with your 5th starter: do you get a PF that can play SF and try to shore up the boards but then have teams pack the paint on you since Mookie is the only real outside threat? Or do you double down on efficiency and put a shooter there? I could see this team being really good, or outside the top half, it all depends how the next picks go.

Robusk: Dwight Howard, Shawn Marion, Kyle Lowry, Deron Williams

I like what Robusk is doing. Pretty sure Lowry/Deron make a voltron PG between the two. It’s risky to do that before picking starters, but it can pay off well. I did the same with Deron/(undrafted) last season and was happy with the results. Marion has some seasons where he can be a SG, and others where he has to play PF. Interested to see how you draft around that. This is a very Robusk team - nice and clean, every minute these 4 guys already has an earmarked purpose, I’m sure. I’d be shocked if you didn’t have a top-8 finish. You’re in good position to draft a couple BPAs going forward.

Pexetera: Michael Jordan, Andre Drummond, Clint Capela, Andre Kirilenko

Capela and AK47 in the 3rd/4th feel like the most Pex moves possible. This team is going to feast on the boards. There are going to be some interesting lineups. I’m sure we’ll see plenty of MJ at PG, with Kirilenko playing a Pippen-role. Interested to see what the 5th starter will be and if it’ll be someone who gives me pause to playing -3 on this squad. Pex is a savage in savage, and I’m sure this will be a very strong contender this season.

dBKC: Giannis, Shawn Kemp, Ben Simmons, Clyde Drexler

I went with Kemp/Simmons in the 2nd/3rd in S2 when I finished with the silver medal....however, they were complimenting the best shooter of all time (Steph) that season, and this season they’re complimenting Giannis and his “please don’t take a 3!” jumper. Drexler gives me a little shooting but I’m on the hunt for more. I have to figure out how to play Giannis at PF in 2 seasons and at SF in 3 seasons (and who to draft to make that possible), but my boards should be strong, especially in the 3 Simmons seasons. Passing should be above average with Giannis in the frontcourt. Drexler is a nice chess piece who will start in a few leagues and who will be a super 6th man in others. I was looking at Kobe and Kirilenko and Jrue and Deron in the 4th but got poached 4x

Albiband0: Chris Paul, Dikembe Mutombo, Carlos Boozer, Alvin Robertson

I love Chris Paul in this format. Dikembe was a solid pick where he went. Boozer was a bit of a reach and I don’t like the fit with Mutombo, personally, because Mutombo is a great defender but he can’t switch with PFs and Boozer is a liability on D there. This team will be on the hunt for 3s, usage, and boards, which are three things that won’t be found in the same player at this point in the draft. A few creative picks in the next few rounds could help this roster look more balanced.

Gerryred: Kareem, Buck Williams, Mark Price, Rajon Rondo

Cant go wrong with Kareem at 9. Buck is a nice piece to have in this league because he helps you with the rebounding advantage while also being an efficient scorer and decent defender. I know PG platoons are popular but I’m not sure if I’d want to use my 3rd and 4th round picks on a Price/Rondo platoon. They’re two completely different types of PGs, and that may create some team building challenges moving forward.

jpevans31: David Robinson, Nikola Jokic, Manu Ginobili, Emeka Okafor

I like the Admiral/Joker pairing up front but I’m not sure if Jokic is worth a mid-2nd. However, you could do some really interesting things now that you have a high volume passer up front, such as running Manu at PG and still having solid passing. That would create a good rebounding advantage. However, if that’s the plan the I would’ve went with a backup big man who could pass instead of Emeka. Manu was great value where he went, he’ll contribute in all 5 leagues.

ysw128: Kevin Durant, Hassan Whiteside, Alonzo Mourning, Derrick Harper

KD is a great building block since 3s are at a premium, so long as you can deal with essentially 0 ORBs from your SF. Whiteside is a great complimentary piece, he and KD give you two super efficient scorers, and his ORBs help make up the difference. Mourning in the mid-3rd is a steal and gives you a great defensive foundation with him and Hassan. Harper is a solid glue guy here but if I could change any of your picks, it would be that one. Mostly because the other picks were all pretty much perfect.

Beloud: Karl Malone, Oscar Robertson, Serge Ibaka, Jerry Lucas

4 great players individually but I don’t really see the fit together. Typically with Serge you want to take advantage of his defensive flexibility by having a PF and maybe even a C who can switch with him on D. Oscar is great but I don’t know if you want him to be your only playmaker since he’s just an okay passer. Lucas is great but I don’t know if I’d play him at C in this league. However: all 4 of them are great players, so the next few picks could tie it all together and have you looking like a major problem.

24kpyrite: Charles Barkley, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, Amare Stoudemire

Barkley was chalk at your pick and a great building block. Kidd is a great complimentary piece to Barkley. Billups is good but I think he’ll be playing some SG? I would’ve went Manu there. You’ll have 48 minutes of great PG play in all 4 leagues though! Amare is great but he and Barkley on D will give you some problems. The good news is you won’t be hunting for 3s, so you can address those issues in the draft without worrying about much else. This is a fun team.

Ashamael: James Harden, Ben Wallace, Horace Grant, Bob McAdoo

Harden plus D+Rebounders is a classic strategy in this league and Wallace and Horace are great pieces for that build. McAdoo is a nice secondary scorer and gives you lots of minutes as well. Interested to see what you look for in Harden’s backcourt mate. There’s a few directions. Either a straight up 2-guard and run Harden at PG, or maybe a high volume passer and run Harden at the 2. Interested to see what you go with.

20ks: Kevin Garnett, Steve Nash, Elton Brand, Gerald Wallace

I like this. A lot. Brand was a steal in the mid 3rd. Lots of great defenders to make up for Nash’s lack of. Not much to say with this one, you haven’t really reached once and have a foundation for a good team.

jcred5: Larry Bird, Gary Payton, Bill Walton, Tree Rollins

Bird is a great building block in Savage. Payton is nice because PGs are at a premium and he has 5 good high minute seasons, so you are saving a pick down the road since you won’t have to platoon. I love Bill Walton. I just won the crown with him at about this spot. He’s very good in the few minutes that he plays. I think Tree was a bit of a reach but I see why you wanted him. This team is good all around and can go in a few different directions. You don’t really have a clear strength but you also don’t have a clear weakness. I think those things will be determined by who you pick in 5/6

Rest coming soon.

3/14/2021 12:48 PM

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thanks a lot mike...you made me type his name and now i cant stop crying

3/14/2021 2:24 PM

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Posted by dh555 on 3/14/2021 2:24:00 PM (view original):
thanks a lot mike...you made me type his name and now i cant stop crying

I've resorted to trying psychological tactics to get out of the basement in this league

3/14/2021 3:18 PM

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Round 4 was a killer for me. I had been looking at Amare because even though he hurts you on D and rebounding there was no one who can put up 4 or 5 high usage high eFG on the board and that seemed great value to me and allows to fill in with defenders. My plan B was Gerald Wallace who plays some real good D and helps with a big rebounding adv at SF. Thought i'd get him b/c not a lot of teams had a PG and enough front court assists to carry him. Then I saw Amare taken and saw that 20 had KG and Nash and knew he wouldn't pass him up. Great team he has going there. Better players on the board than Tree, but he hopefully frees up other things later with 5 90 + D seasons. Feeling a lot better with Willis Reed in the 5th. That was a nice treat, surprised he slipped that far. That really opens things up for me I hope.

3/14/2021 3:35 PM

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I too had a plan that involved Gerald Wallace, as well as <undrafted>.

There's one team I'm building that didn't have a believable A1 scorer. Some of the Indy PG seasons just aren't going to cut it in terms of efficiency. So I rolled the dice on Penny, although I really didn't know what my SF situation was going to look like. I was hoping <undrafted> would be there, but then I realized that wasn't a good idea either.

I'm glad I didn't take Gerald. I realized that finding a high usage backup/starter like Pierce wouldn't be possible later. He and George are surprisingly similar as rebounders and passers at their position, although they differ in other ways.

Sometimes the goal shouldn't be to get five passable seasons. I had to keep mixing things up until I found a way to use Pierce as more than just a backup for PG. Penny is/was a risk, but sometimes one risk can open up much more logical doors elsewhere

3/14/2021 3:49 PM

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Mikee1: AD, Klay, Clyde Frazier, Marques Johnson, Embiid

AD is great, obviously, just have to get the right pieces around him. I wasn’t high on the Klay pick, but I do like a Frazier/Klay backcourt, provided you can add assists elsewhere in the next couple of rounds. I think this team is going to be too light on the boards. AD/Klay/Marques are all average to below average rebounders for their position. The D and efficiency will be good though.

NotoriousJ: Artis Gilmore, Rodman, Lillard, Vucevic, Faried

TONS of boards. Lillard plus elite rebounding seems like a pretty solid strategy. I think there’s a chance with the right picks in the next few rounds that this can be a contender. Still need to shore up some areas, but it’s doable. I think this might be one of those squads that has a title contender or two (the leagues that get Lillard, Vuc, Rodman’s best seasons) and misses the playoffs in others. You can still win with that strategy though.

bds9992: DeAndre Jordan, Kevin McHale, Paul George, Penny, Paul Pierce

DAJ is like the perfect frountcourt partner for McHale. They compliment each other pretty well. Paul George where you got him was a steal. Penny is a great player but he’s a little light on assists to be your lead passer. Luckily Pierce and PG each have some decent passing seasons and you might be able to assemble the pieces between the 3 of them to be solid in most leagues when it comes to passing. Interested to see if PG and Pierce both start in some leagues (which would put you a lil light on boards but would give you great perimeter scoring and good passing), or if they’re a platoon. Not sure if you’re relying too much on DeAndre’s rebounding though. Ignoring getting another rebounder for too long could put you behind on boards. Smart move getting 4 high usage guys in the first 5 rounds.

kinoa1: Duncan, Kawhi, Bobby Jones, Jerry West, Brent Barry

If anyone else would’ve drafted this, I’d say it was a bottom-half squad. But when Kinoa picks someone, it makes me go “crap...should I have taken Jerry West in the 4th?!” - I had Admiral and Kawhi last season, which is more formidable than Duncan/Kawhi, but it looks like the strategy here will be a super CLEAN (low TOs/fouls) game with good D and passing-by-committee. Obviously Kinoa will be a contender. He’s 1 for 1 in Savage. Welcome back, even though you’re gonna make my life harder.

Benhoidal: John Stockton, Julius Erving, Draymond Green, Dirk, Andrew Bogut

Stockton/Draymond/Bogut equals crazy assists. Dr J and Dirk should get a nice eFG% bonus from all of the passing around them. Dirk being able to switch with both Draymond and Bogut means he can hide him on the opponent’s worst frontcourt player. The rest of the squad is great defensively. Good start, and I’m sure Ben will make some nice picks in the next few rounds to bring it all together. Now we see if he tries to win 2 chips or send all 5 to the playoffs.

Amerk1180: Moses, ~~Peggy~~ Pippen, Ewing, Bledsoe, Horford

This is actually a pretty well-designed squad. Bledsoe is light on assists for a PG, but Pippen and Horford supplement him there. Moses and Ewing should hold down the paint nicely. Only real concern is perimeter shooting, IMO. Should be a top-half squad if the rest of the picks go right.

Midge: Magic, Rudy Gobert, Ray Allen, Montrezl Harrell, Dave Cowens

Midge is good at drafting specialists and making sure everyone has a role. Once he started with Magic, the strategy seemed to be: get a paint monster, a shooter, a paint defender, etc. and that’s what he did. Ray Allen stretches the floor, Rudy and Montrezl are lob threats, Magic is the engine. Not sure if Cowens was worth picking in the early 5th but I like the other 4 picks quite a bit. Allen might’ve been a slight reach but he fits the squad well. Harrell and Gobert will have crazy eFG%.

dh555: Hakeem, D-Wade, Camby, Jimmy Buckets, Terrell Brandon

Defense, boards, paint scoring, passing...got it all on lock. Shooting? Not so much...that can come later though. I like the strategic move to drop down to 24 and get 3 of the first 49 players. Not sure if Camby is a top 50 player though. I would’ve been tempted to draft George in the 3rd and tan Wade at PG. Interested to see if Butler is strictly a Wade back-up, or if he gets some run next to him too

3/14/2021 3:53 PM

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@dB - the answer is I'm relying on DJ's rebounding a little more than I ought to. At least for now, all squads will start 118+ CReb%.

Pierce and George start together on four teams.

3/14/2021 4:33 PM

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Posted by mikee1 on 3/14/2021 12:06:00 AM (view original):
I deserved that. I knew I was in trouble when I got Ash's proxy list- I thought I could grab one of the three. Hate the Marques pick. Sorry for the hold up guys.

I hate it too, I wanted to take him in the 5th or 6th

3/14/2021 4:37 PM

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I think beloud's team looks really solid after adding Green.

3/14/2021 8:44 PM

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This might be my worst savage build yet. Easily in the bottom tier.

3/14/2021 10:03 PM

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