Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 3:35:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
Those aren't their homes. They lost the war. Israel won't want non Jews in disputed lands. Such is life. I don't 100% side with Israel here because they keep sending mixed messages but no chance I believe Israel is 100% at fault either.

THEY WEREN"T ******* ALIVE FOR THE WAR!!!. IT'S JUST AS MUCH THEIR HOME AS MY HOME IS MINE. I LIVE ON LAND THAT WAS STOLEN FROM NATIVE AMERICANS. IF A NATIVE AMERICAN CAME TO MY HOME WITH A GUN TO KICK ME OUT, THAT WOULD BE WRONG TOO.

This is the **** that comes from y'all saying "Israel is a Jewish state." You get people being evicted from their homes for doing nothing wrong besides being Arabic. ******* disgusting and indefensible.

That’s bullwhip the settlements are a land issue
and a distraction.

for the sake of peace Israel would force settlers off the land and give it to Palestinians.

meanwhile - settlers try to take a few homes while the Palestinians say Israel is theirs.

Wake me up when Israelis get forced out of their homes by Palestinians.

You brain damaged moron they have never stopped trying to do that since 1948.

why do you think the settlers now see fit to fight fire with fire.
even if the settlers are wrong they are right.

Were the people who are being evicted now trying to kick Israelis out of their homes?

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 3:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:23:00 PM (view original):
CCCP, if Palestine had the weapons and military to conquer all of Israel and kick all Israeli people out of their homes because they won't want Jewish people living there, would that be OK with you?

100%. I wish they would try in all sincerity. I believe in the end good always prevails over evil. Let's see what happens. I'll say it again if you attacked me and lost, you would have zero rights with me. I would take everything you have and make your life as miserable as possible. Israel instead provided places to live, aid, etc. But then the PLO started to act up and now its Fatah and Hamas and now it is a nightmare but no chance Israel is 100% to blame for this. None.

Wow. I guess we just have to agree disagree on this.

I don't think might makes right. I don't think that just because you can do something, you should.

The Nazis had the ability to conquer most of Europe and slaughter Jewish people. If they had won the war, did they have the right to complete the Holocaust? As you say, to the victors go the spoils.

Maybe this is just a fundamental moral difference between us. I don't think that winning a war gives you the right to basically do whatever you want to blameless people.

Personally, I would simply choose not to evict people from their homes just because they aren't Jewish.

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 3:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:23:00 PM (view original):
CCCP, if Palestine had the weapons and military to conquer all of Israel and kick all Israeli people out of their homes because they won't want Jewish people living there, would that be OK with you?

100%. I wish they would try in all sincerity. I believe in the end good always prevails over evil. Let's see what happens. I'll say it again if you attacked me and lost, you would have zero rights with me. I would take everything you have and make your life as miserable as possible. Israel instead provided places to live, aid, etc. But then the PLO started to act up and now its Fatah and Hamas and now it is a nightmare but no chance Israel is 100% to blame for this. None.

Wow. I guess we just have to agree disagree on this.

I don't think might makes right. I don't think that just because you can do something, you should.

The Nazis had the ability to conquer most of Europe and slaughter Jewish people. If they had won the war, did they have the right to complete the Holocaust? As you say, to the victors go the spoils.

Maybe this is just a fundamental moral difference between us. I don't think that winning a war gives you the right to basically do whatever you want to blameless people.

If the Nazis won then history would have been written differently. You and Godwin's Law. But in the end the Nazis didn't win and good prevailed. In terms of Israel, I believe that the Jews, my people are the good and the Islamists are the evil. Did the Red Army have the right to go into Berlin and burn it to the ground in 1945? Did the US have the right to nuke Japan? Retaliation can be quite nasty and often is.

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:45:00 PM (view original):
Personally, I would simply choose not to evict people from their homes just because they aren't Jewish.

They aren't their homes. The people left their homes when war began and their side lost. You can't just come back and pretend that nothing happened, this is the concept you don't understand. That is why your Native American reference is a false equivalency. Better one is Cali and TX taken from Mexico. At the time Mexico attacked the US, the US took the territories. You don't see Mexicans launching rockets at San Antonio or San Diego.

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 3:35:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
Those aren't their homes. They lost the war. Israel won't want non Jews in disputed lands. Such is life. I don't 100% side with Israel here because they keep sending mixed messages but no chance I believe Israel is 100% at fault either.

THEY WEREN"T ******* ALIVE FOR THE WAR!!!. IT'S JUST AS MUCH THEIR HOME AS MY HOME IS MINE. I LIVE ON LAND THAT WAS STOLEN FROM NATIVE AMERICANS. IF A NATIVE AMERICAN CAME TO MY HOME WITH A GUN TO KICK ME OUT, THAT WOULD BE WRONG TOO.

This is the **** that comes from y'all saying "Israel is a Jewish state." You get people being evicted from their homes for doing nothing wrong besides being Arabic. ******* disgusting and indefensible.

That’s bullwhip the settlements are a land issue
and a distraction.

for the sake of peace Israel would force settlers off the land and give it to Palestinians.

meanwhile - settlers try to take a few homes while the Palestinians say Israel is theirs.

Wake me up when Israelis get forced out of their homes by Palestinians.

You brain damaged moron they have never stopped trying to do that since 1948.

why do you think the settlers now see fit to fight fire with fire.
even if the settlers are wrong they are right.

Were the people who are being evicted now trying to kick Israelis out of their homes?

They aren't being "evicted"...it is a land dispute. The Palestinians are saying they are being evicted that is their argument. What is Israel's argument?

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 4:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 3:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:23:00 PM (view original):
CCCP, if Palestine had the weapons and military to conquer all of Israel and kick all Israeli people out of their homes because they won't want Jewish people living there, would that be OK with you?

100%. I wish they would try in all sincerity. I believe in the end good always prevails over evil. Let's see what happens. I'll say it again if you attacked me and lost, you would have zero rights with me. I would take everything you have and make your life as miserable as possible. Israel instead provided places to live, aid, etc. But then the PLO started to act up and now its Fatah and Hamas and now it is a nightmare but no chance Israel is 100% to blame for this. None.

Wow. I guess we just have to agree disagree on this.

I don't think might makes right. I don't think that just because you can do something, you should.

The Nazis had the ability to conquer most of Europe and slaughter Jewish people. If they had won the war, did they have the right to complete the Holocaust? As you say, to the victors go the spoils.

Maybe this is just a fundamental moral difference between us. I don't think that winning a war gives you the right to basically do whatever you want to blameless people.

If the Nazis won then history would have been written differently. You and Godwin's Law. But in the end the Nazis didn't win and good prevailed. In terms of Israel, I believe that the Jews, my people are the good and the Islamists are the evil. Did the Red Army have the right to go into Berlin and burn it to the ground in 1945? Did the US have the right to nuke Japan? Retaliation can be quite nasty and often is.

I just want you to type out the sentence, "If the Nazis had won the war, they had the right to kill all of the Jews within their territory."

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 4:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:45:00 PM (view original):
Personally, I would simply choose not to evict people from their homes just because they aren't Jewish.

They aren't their homes. The people left their homes when war began and their side lost. You can't just come back and pretend that nothing happened, this is the concept you don't understand. That is why your Native American reference is a false equivalency. Better one is Cali and TX taken from Mexico. At the time Mexico attacked the US, the US took the territories. You don't see Mexicans launching rockets at San Antonio or San Diego.

They've been living there since the 1940's and 50's. Some before that. It's their home. How long do they have to live there before it becomes their home?

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 4:19:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 3:35:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
Those aren't their homes. They lost the war. Israel won't want non Jews in disputed lands. Such is life. I don't 100% side with Israel here because they keep sending mixed messages but no chance I believe Israel is 100% at fault either.

THEY WEREN"T ******* ALIVE FOR THE WAR!!!. IT'S JUST AS MUCH THEIR HOME AS MY HOME IS MINE. I LIVE ON LAND THAT WAS STOLEN FROM NATIVE AMERICANS. IF A NATIVE AMERICAN CAME TO MY HOME WITH A GUN TO KICK ME OUT, THAT WOULD BE WRONG TOO.

This is the **** that comes from y'all saying "Israel is a Jewish state." You get people being evicted from their homes for doing nothing wrong besides being Arabic. ******* disgusting and indefensible.

That’s bullwhip the settlements are a land issue
and a distraction.

for the sake of peace Israel would force settlers off the land and give it to Palestinians.

meanwhile - settlers try to take a few homes while the Palestinians say Israel is theirs.

Wake me up when Israelis get forced out of their homes by Palestinians.

You brain damaged moron they have never stopped trying to do that since 1948.

why do you think the settlers now see fit to fight fire with fire.
even if the settlers are wrong they are right.

Were the people who are being evicted now trying to kick Israelis out of their homes?

They aren't being "evicted"...it is a land dispute. The Palestinians are saying they are being evicted that is their argument. What is Israel's argument?

What is it called when someone is forcefully removed from their home by a governmental or private entity?

Call a spade a spade. They are being evicted. You think Israel should evict them because Israel won a war 60 years ago and gets to do what they want, even if that means kicking people out of their homes simply for not being Jewish.

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 3:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
Those aren't their homes. They lost the war. Israel won't want non Jews in disputed lands. Such is life. I don't 100% side with Israel here because they keep sending mixed messages but no chance I believe Israel is 100% at fault either.

THEY WEREN"T ******* ALIVE FOR THE WAR!!!. IT'S JUST AS MUCH THEIR HOME AS MY HOME IS MINE. I LIVE ON LAND THAT WAS STOLEN FROM NATIVE AMERICANS. IF A NATIVE AMERICAN CAME TO MY HOME WITH A GUN TO KICK ME OUT, THAT WOULD BE WRONG TOO.

This is the **** that comes from y'all saying "Israel is a Jewish state." You get people being evicted from their homes for doing nothing wrong besides being Arabic. ******* disgusting and indefensible.

That’s bullwhip the settlements are a land issue
and a distraction.

for the sake of peace Israel would force settlers off the land and give it to Palestinians.

meanwhile - settlers try to take a few homes while the Palestinians say Israel is theirs.

Wake me up when Israelis get forced out of their homes by Palestinians.

You brain damaged moron they have never stopped trying to do that since 1948.

why do you think the settlers now see fit to fight fire with fire.
even if the settlers are wrong they are right.

Were the people who are being evicted now trying to kick Israelis out of their homes?

What is the point of your point - it is about 3-4 homes and in court.

thousands of bombs are meant to kill - not evict.

Tangplay, I am trying to be patient. The Jews were removed first in the 1920s and 1930s. They settled throughout the Middle East and once they were evicted from there they came back home. No one is "evicting" anyone. It is a dispute of who really owns the land after all these wars and the failed Oslo accords.

So if in 2010 you kicked me out of my house and then in 2015, I came back at a neighboring house and in 2020 you declared war on me and I kicked your *** and took back the house you took from me in 2010, why am I in the wrong and you in the right? You're stating that the Palestinians have never done anything wrong. If you actually believe that we don't have much more to discuss. You never answered me. Did the SU have the right to raze Berlin in 1945?

Lastly, Hamas wants every Jew obliterated. Don't care about the disputed lands. But you say Israel is 100% to blame.

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 4:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:45:00 PM (view original):
Personally, I would simply choose not to evict people from their homes just because they aren't Jewish.

They aren't their homes. The people left their homes when war began and their side lost. You can't just come back and pretend that nothing happened, this is the concept you don't understand. That is why your Native American reference is a false equivalency. Better one is Cali and TX taken from Mexico. At the time Mexico attacked the US, the US took the territories. You don't see Mexicans launching rockets at San Antonio or San Diego.

You are talking about 1948 and he is talking about 2021 as if it is 1948.

pretty pointless discussion.

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 4:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 4:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 3:45:00 PM (view original):
Personally, I would simply choose not to evict people from their homes just because they aren't Jewish.

They aren't their homes. The people left their homes when war began and their side lost. You can't just come back and pretend that nothing happened, this is the concept you don't understand. That is why your Native American reference is a false equivalency. Better one is Cali and TX taken from Mexico. At the time Mexico attacked the US, the US took the territories. You don't see Mexicans launching rockets at San Antonio or San Diego.

You are talking about 1948 and he is talking about 2021 as if it is 1948.

pretty pointless discussion.

I am trying to provide context

Once again the case is in court and about 3-4 homes that were originally owned by Jews.

however it is despicable to use this very limited and unique situation one way or another as representative of the Israel - Palestinian conflict in all its stages.

it is a distraction that the Palestinians and antisemite have pounced on to demonize Israel and its right to be a safe Jewish state.

tangplay states Jews just moved in and pushed people out. But Jews were always there.