bruceleefan: WRT the young Earth theory (ie. A literal 6 day creation), I will point out that several of the stars and/or star clusters we can see at night with our naked eye are farther than 6000 light-years away from us. That alone would seem to indicate creation happened a much longer time ago and refute a literal 6 day creation. No?

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Good question. A lot of people struggle with the starlight problem. I'm not one of them.

Here are some potential models to solve the problem.
1.) Light in transit (or mature creation) It was popular for awhile but is rejected by most creationists now because of the super nova question.
2.) Speed of light decay - I reject it but evolutionists are working with it. They also have a problem with starlight in their Big Bang Theory.
3.) Relativistic models
a.) White hole cosmology
b.) Harnett model (Carmelian Physics) Can't explain these. Over my head. Look 'em up.
4.) Lisle-Einstein convention - These use both position and velocity based physics. Einstein pointed out time is not constant in the universe which wrecks the simple equation {Distance = Speed x Time} I don't understand this one either but I think it's like flying on a jet one way while the earth is going the other way.
5.) Dasha solution - This is what I believe and I didn't even know it had a name. God created stars on day 4. Adam saw them when he was created on day 6. Guess what else was kinda weird? The animals were fully grown and the trees were mature and bearing fruit. So.....I don't have a problem with starlight. I figure we will know or have the ability to know all kinds of stuff when we get to heaven. We can talk about it then.

Since the beginning of Christ's ministry and walk on earth, I believe I can count on 0 fingers the occasions Christians have been sent off on some Holy War mass destruction endeavor upon others.

You're joking, right?

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/27/2021 5:10:00 PM (view original):
While every religion has it's zealots who do terrible things in the name of their God, to point to the crusades as an example of Christian aggression ignores the preceding few hundred years of Muslim conquest.

If it weren't for the crusades we'd all be Muslim, as they had reached the Iberian peninsula and would have continued conquering the rest of Europe.

WRT the young Earth theory (ie. A literal 6 day creation), I will point out that several of the stars and/or star clusters we can see at night with our naked eye are farther than 6000 light-years away from us. That alone would seem to indicate creation happened a much longer time ago and refute a literal 6 day creation. No?

This is historical misinformation. The Crusades were not some sort of defensive holy war. The idea that without the crusades Muslims would have conquered everything is... really, really wrong.

Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2021 10:44:00 PM (view original):

Since the beginning of Christ's ministry and walk on earth, I believe I can count on 0 fingers the occasions Christians have been sent off on some Holy War mass destruction endeavor upon others.

You're joking, right?

No joke at all. As mentioned before, there's always going to be something someone can try to poke holes thru, so hereafter I'm going to try not to focus off center from the author of peace.

It may be that someone who is asking questions of us is unable to distinguish between Christianity and Islam and is equating the two. The first task here is to draw clear distinctions between Christ and Muhammad, as well as the Bible and the Qur’an, on the issue of violence. Jesus Himself healed the ear of the arresting soldier when Peter had drawn a sword in defence of Him and cut it off.

Multiple mentions made of the crusades and inquisition. Certainly not a true reflection of what Jesus came to say and accomplish. In fact, true Christian responses at the time of the Crusades resounded from leaders such as Francis of Assisi and John Wycliffe, who roundly condemned any killing or warfare in the name of Christ.

Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2021 10:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/27/2021 5:10:00 PM (view original):
While every religion has it's zealots who do terrible things in the name of their God, to point to the crusades as an example of Christian aggression ignores the preceding few hundred years of Muslim conquest.

If it weren't for the crusades we'd all be Muslim, as they had reached the Iberian peninsula and would have continued conquering the rest of Europe.

WRT the young Earth theory (ie. A literal 6 day creation), I will point out that several of the stars and/or star clusters we can see at night with our naked eye are farther than 6000 light-years away from us. That alone would seem to indicate creation happened a much longer time ago and refute a literal 6 day creation. No?

This is historical misinformation. The Crusades were not some sort of defensive holy war. The idea that without the crusades Muslims would have conquered everything is... really, really wrong.

Yes a little facetious with the hyperbole as the Muslim expansion had been mostly halted when they attempted to conquer France...

oferchrissakes

if there is one thing jesus The Christ did not believe in it was christian soldiers



O the extant

Of thine ignorance



people are stupid

religious people especially

unerringly

rock headedly

vapidly dumb



and so we have beliefs

Posted by Mwett on 11/27/2021 11:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2021 10:44:00 PM (view original):

Since the beginning of Christ's ministry and walk on earth, I believe I can count on 0 fingers the occasions Christians have been sent off on some Holy War mass destruction endeavor upon others.

You're joking, right?

No joke at all. As mentioned before, there's always going to be something someone can try to poke holes thru, so hereafter I'm going to try not to focus off center from the author of peace.

It may be that someone who is asking questions of us is unable to distinguish between Christianity and Islam and is equating the two. The first task here is to draw clear distinctions between Christ and Muhammad, as well as the Bible and the Qur’an, on the issue of violence. Jesus Himself healed the ear of the arresting soldier when Peter had drawn a sword in defence of Him and cut it off.

Multiple mentions made of the crusades and inquisition. Certainly not a true reflection of what Jesus came to say and accomplish. In fact, true Christian responses at the time of the Crusades resounded from leaders such as Francis of Assisi and John Wycliffe, who roundly condemned any killing or warfare in the name of Christ.

I agree with you that those who participated in the Crusades weren't enacting the vision of Jesus or whatever, but the same can be true of many other religions.

However, the Crusades were done in the name of Jesus and the overwhelming majority of self-proclaimed Christians, whether then or now, supported what was done.

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/28/2021 12:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2021 10:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/27/2021 5:10:00 PM (view original):
While every religion has it's zealots who do terrible things in the name of their God, to point to the crusades as an example of Christian aggression ignores the preceding few hundred years of Muslim conquest.

If it weren't for the crusades we'd all be Muslim, as they had reached the Iberian peninsula and would have continued conquering the rest of Europe.

WRT the young Earth theory (ie. A literal 6 day creation), I will point out that several of the stars and/or star clusters we can see at night with our naked eye are farther than 6000 light-years away from us. That alone would seem to indicate creation happened a much longer time ago and refute a literal 6 day creation. No?

This is historical misinformation. The Crusades were not some sort of defensive holy war. The idea that without the crusades Muslims would have conquered everything is... really, really wrong.

Yes a little facetious with the hyperbole as the Muslim expansion had been mostly halted when they attempted to conquer France...

I'm begging you to do some research on this one. The idea that the crusades was a defensive to keep Muslims from taking over Europe was created as a revisionist piece of propaganda to defend the actions of the Crusaders. It's just not true, and the historical consensus roundly rejects that notion. History is more complicated than that.

The Crusaders weren't even battling in France or Spain. It was a fight over Jerusalem, to retake it hundreds of years after it was originally taken.

If you want to claim that the Crusades were righteous because the Muslims didn't have a right to Jerusalem, that's a bit more justifiable, I guess, but the idea that the Crusades were to defend Europe from an Islamic invasion is just flatly false.

I'm genuinely curious where you got this idea from

tang…That answer is easy. He believes CHRISTIAN PROPAGANDA and outright FALLACIES of the church. Isn’t that obvious?

oferchrissakes"

if there is one thing jesus The Christ did not believe in it was christian soldiers"

Exactly.

The theory of Christianity is NOT the problem.
It's the Christians themselves!
They can NOT restrain themselves from their self-righteous ego.
They THINK they are the only people their God loves.
Thus, they behave as they do. "With God on our side"
It has always been so. From the Crusades to now.
Trump's legions are NO different.
They are misinformed cretins masquerading as Christians.
They are NOT.
But the problem is NOT within the theory of Christianity it's within the people who espouse and USE it as a tool!

Posted by Mwett on 11/27/2021 11:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/27/2021 10:44:00 PM (view original):

Since the beginning of Christ's ministry and walk on earth, I believe I can count on 0 fingers the occasions Christians have been sent off on some Holy War mass destruction endeavor upon others.

You're joking, right?

No joke at all. As mentioned before, there's always going to be something someone can try to poke holes thru, so hereafter I'm going to try not to focus off center from the author of peace.

It may be that someone who is asking questions of us is unable to distinguish between Christianity and Islam and is equating the two. The first task here is to draw clear distinctions between Christ and Muhammad, as well as the Bible and the Qur’an, on the issue of violence. Jesus Himself healed the ear of the arresting soldier when Peter had drawn a sword in defence of Him and cut it off.

Multiple mentions made of the crusades and inquisition. Certainly not a true reflection of what Jesus came to say and accomplish. In fact, true Christian responses at the time of the Crusades resounded from leaders such as Francis of Assisi and John Wycliffe, who roundly condemned any killing or warfare in the name of Christ.

Sorry but this is what I call a cop out.
And why someone as myself says understanding history without agendas is so important.

Posted by bagchucker on 11/28/2021 12:51:00 AM (view original):
oferchrissakes

if there is one thing jesus The Christ did not believe in it was christian soldiers



O the extant

Of thine ignorance



people are stupid

religious people especially

unerringly

rock headedly

vapidly dumb



and so we have beliefs

Or killing his own people.

Posted by tangplay on 11/28/2021 2:10:00 AM (view original):
If you want to claim that the Crusades were righteous because the Muslims didn't have a right to Jerusalem, that's a bit more justifiable, I guess, but the idea that the Crusades were to defend Europe from an Islamic invasion is just flatly false.

I'm genuinely curious where you got this idea from

The crusades were for taking back jerusulam from Islam who took it and to make it Christian. Of course to remove Muslim and Jewish control. And to control as much area as Christian and to subdue non Christians.
The inquisitions in already controlled Christian areas was the natural extension.

Posted by laramiebob on 11/28/2021 9:21:00 AM (view original):
oferchrissakes"

if there is one thing jesus The Christ did not believe in it was christian soldiers"

Exactly.

The theory of Christianity is NOT the problem.
It's the Christians themselves!
They can NOT restrain themselves from their self-righteous ego.
They THINK they are the only people their God loves.
Thus, they behave as they do. "With God on our side"
It has always been so. From the Crusades to now.
Trump's legions are NO different.
They are misinformed cretins masquerading as Christians.
They are NOT.
But the problem is NOT within the theory of Christianity it's within the people who espouse and USE it as a tool!

So awful to demean everyone who is a Christian as a misinformed cretin comparable to a trumper.

The entire post is a gross generalization based on collective guilt and collective
hypocrisy and a group stupidity.
Don’t you realize how hateful you are coming across.?