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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 7/22/2009
I'd like to see how the stats break down as to HOW home field was determined for those games that comprise the 62% of "home team wins".

Because it wasn't always the winner of the All-Star game (arbitrary).

I think it was rotating between AL and NL, just taking turns, before that... but at some point it had to have been "better team = 4 home games".... and I'd be curious how the first game winners are broken down, depending on how the host of the 1st game was determined.

And actually, recent years with a dominant AL in terms of teams and All-Star games would like have skewed this little stat, no??
7/22/2009 10:25 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 7/22/2009
I'd like to see how the stats break down as to HOW home field was determined for those games that comprise the 62% of "home team wins".

Because it wasn't always the winner of the All-Star game (arbitrary).

I think it was rotating between AL and NL, just taking turns, before that... but at some point it had to have been "better team = 4 home games".... and I'd be curious how the first game winners are broken down, depending on how the host of the 1st game was determined.

TBH, that's doubtful. If that was how it was, I have a hard time believing they would've found a passable reason to move away from that system to the alternating years frivolity.
7/22/2009 10:29 AM
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i actually didn't get too far into the study - the data didn't look like it was interpreted any further than as a whole set without taking into account anything more than the change to the series formats

i'll see if i can look it up. the study was actually more focused on how momentum seems to carry over more than winning game 1. it was actually better to win game 2 and lose game 1 than vice versa.

one issue is there aren't that many word series games - so the sample size isn't enormous either
7/22/2009 10:30 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By chazzzzzz on 7/22/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 7/22/2009

I'd like to see how the stats break down as to HOW home field was determined for those games that comprise the 62% of "home team wins".

Because it wasn't always the winner of the All-Star game (arbitrary).

I think it was rotating between AL and NL, just taking turns, before that... but at some point it had to have been "better team = 4 home games".... and I'd be curious how the first game winners are broken down, depending on how the host of the 1st game was determined.

TBH, that's doubtful. If that was how it was, I have a hard time believing they would've found a passable reason to move away from that system to the alternating years frivolity.
My guess is it was after expansion (the ALCS/NLCS only era), and had something to do with press, hotels, etc. Same reason the Super Bowl is at a neutral site.

I'm sure back in the early 1900s, when it was best 5 of 9 between AL and NL regular season champs, it must have been better record = home field... but who knows. MLB has been awfully stupid for an awfully long time.....
7/22/2009 10:37 AM
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only somewhat related - here was a study on HFA that had to do with time zones...it seems to support the fact that greater travel across time zones increases HFA

Sleep Study - HFA

disclaimer - i have never read anything from this site and don't have any idea if it's valid.
7/22/2009 10:39 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 7/22/2009i actually didn't get too far into the study
yeah, it certainly is best to just stop reading as soon as you find any piece of data to support whatever theory you are looking to support ... additional facts and context might serve to weaken your position, so best to ignore those
7/22/2009 10:49 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 7/22/2009only somewhat related - here was a study on HFA that had to do with time zones...it seems to support the fact that greater travel across time zones increases HFA

Sleep Study - HFA

disclaimer - i have never read anything from this site and don't have any idea if it's valid
here's a link to a site that has a lot of information

http://www.google.com

I'm sure there is a lot of good information there, and probably some stuff that isn't valid ... somwhere in there it says there is no such thing as HFA
7/22/2009 10:53 AM
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well considering i found that sleep study thru Google and it supports THERE IS an HFA and the WebMD article that supports testosterone based HFA i found through Google

i rank your most recent post as the dumbest post i have ever seen on here - thanks for that - i was hoping someone would come in and take the few recent good posts of discussion we had going back down to pure stupidity - so again, thanks
7/22/2009 11:13 AM
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for the record 98green - i have no theory or case to support on here...i am neutral on this issue...i'm trying to show why schuyler's view point is understandable...i am not trying to prove his point by any means.

but then again, you misread my earlier disagreement with you so i shouldn't expect you to start now
7/22/2009 11:17 AM
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I like that the guy that 1) posts numbers from a study he didn't bother to read, followed by 2)posting a link to a study he found on google and disclaimed as possibly being junk is challenging the quality of my posts
7/22/2009 11:18 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 7/22/2009for the record 98green - i have no theory or case to support on here...i am neutral on this issue...i'm trying to show why schuyler's view point is understandable...i am not trying to prove his point by any means.

but then again, you misread my earlier disagreement with you so i shouldn't expect you to start no
I'm nuetral on the idea of bigfoot ... should I post a link to the Patterson-Gimlin film to show why the idea that bigfoot exists is understandable?
7/22/2009 11:22 AM
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you're posts are getting even better (meaning worse) which is quite impressive


and for the record, sure you can post that link - i am not trying to change anyone's mind - just giving information and letting them make up their own mind. in that regard, posting a bunch of bigfoot links would do just that...
7/22/2009 11:24 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 7/22/2009I like that the guy that 1) posts numbers from a study he didn't bother to read, followed by 2)posting a link to a study he found on google and disclaimed as possibly being junk is challenging the quality of my posts


Can I challenge the quality of your posts based on familiarity?
7/22/2009 11:25 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally posted by iain on 7/21/2009
He wants a hardwired "boost" when playing at home!!

Yes, and I want the other team to have the same when they're at home.
At least swamp is consistent if nothing else, no matter what alias he posts under.
7/22/2009 11:32 AM
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