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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally posted by mark3313 on 1/01/2010I like that data too, but it's a small sample size; one league with the current season 100 games done. Look at the overall data for all leagues and look at it with the perspective that only the upper echelon of HR hitters have changed.
mark, why are you looking at the data with any perspective at all? Shouldn't the data be pointing you towards an interpretation -- not the other way around?

If you look at the data with the belief what customer service said was true, that only the upper echelon of power hitters were changed, the numbers mean something quite different than if every hitter was changed, no ? It means a small group of players are bringing overall numbers down.
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Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally posted by mark3313 on 1/01/2010I like that data too, but it's a small sample size; one league with the current season 100 games done. Look at the overall data for all leagues and look at it with the perspective that only the upper echelon of HR hitters have changed.
mark, why are you looking at the data with any perspective at all? Shouldn't the data be pointing you towards an interpretation -- not the other way around?

If you look at the data with the belief what customer service said was true, that only the upper echelon of power hitters were changed, the numbers mean something quite different than if every hitter was changed, no ? It means a small group of players are bringing overall numbers down
funny how you guys are agreeing and dont even know it.
1/1/2010 4:52 PM
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I don't look at the data with any particular belief, mark. It kind of defeats the purpose of using data to get at the truth.
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Poor troll... people stopped talking to him and now he's getting all peevish.
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010I don't look at the data with any particular belief, mark. It kind of defeats the purpose of using data to get at the truth
Really? And whats your background in statistics?
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010Then give me some data that suggests those "upper echelon" power hitters were exclusively targeted by the update, hart
LOL - I'm not the one pretending to know the programming. Every single time (save one example) they mention it with any specifics other than "the steroid era is over", they say it targets only upper echelon power hitters. If that doesn't convince you, there's nothing I can post that will.
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So then there should be plenty of data supporting that theory, right?

And there's two examples I've seen of WIS saying the opposite of that, btw, not just one.
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally posted by mark3313 on 1/01/2010let me rephrase this:
Suppose, for aurgument sake, they did only change the
"upper echelon of HR hitters and only impacts HR". So if everyone else has stayed the same, wouldn't you agree, then, those hitters changed must be dramatically under-performing in order to bring down the overall OPS of all leagues from .780 to .752 in two months ?
OK, let's chase that hound.

1) What percentage of hitters do you think fall in the category of "upper echelon"? What percentage of a world's plate appearances do you think they account for?

2) Now do the math and figure out how much all those hitters, as a group, must have declined to explain a worldwide 32 point drop in OPS.


1) Only the programmers know
2) impossible to know without knowing the answer to 1

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Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010
Then give me some data that suggests those "upper echelon" power hitters were exclusively targeted by the update, hart.
LOL - I'm not the one pretending to know the programming. Every single time (save one example) they mention it with any specifics other than "the steroid era is over", they say it targets only upper echelon power hitters. If that doesn't convince you, there's nothing I can post that will
Dude, but he has a major in mathematics from harvard and a masters from MIT, he doesn't need to see the programming to know what it is. He is, the most interesting man in the world.
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/01/2010I don't look at the data with any particular belief, mark. It kind of defeats the purpose of using data to get at the truth.

There is sudden drop off in HRs. One person has knowledge that every hitter has been "tweaked", one person has knowledge that only x% have been "tweaked". Wouldn't both people view responsibility of the drop off differently ?
1/1/2010 5:07 PM
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Neither one has knowledge, they only have theories.

And yes, their theories would explain the drop differently. Which is why you look at more detailed data to try and determine which one is correct.
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/01/2010Neither one has knowledge, they only have theories.And yes, their theories would explain the drop differently. Which is why you look at more detailed data to try and determine which one is correct.
Yes, but you do have knowledge . Administration/Programming has told us the cause (If you believe them).
1/1/2010 5:18 PM
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Anyway, I think this post has run it's course.

There isn't enough data to disprove or prove administration's claim as, I don't think, any one league has finished a complete season with the update.
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