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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/04/2010
Doesn't prestige play a factor in how many recruiting dollars you get currently? And I'm not suggesting that I'm trying to add things that aren't there, but improve the things that are already in place.

Do you truly think that teams get money based on their prestige? You are more hopeless then I thought.

Is it a factor or not?...I thought I read that it was a factor.
1/4/2010 12:04 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/04/2010
If you can't understand how someone that "grew up" on EA Sports recruiting thinks that HD/GD recruiting are very vague and a crapshoot because they can't entirely understand what's going on in the process due to vagueness, then I don't know what to tell you. I had a new user friend that also grew up on EA NCAAF and he too agreed that he prefers EA's recruiting and agreed with my crapshoot comment about GD.



You view HD as vague because it isn't spoon fed for you who is winning each recruit. I understand exactly what you are saying and think it is complete non-sense.

I love how you pick and choose what you want to respond to, because deep down you know I'm right and would never admit it. You yourself called parts of HD recruiting VAGUE....now you're saying I'm wrong because I say HD recruiting is VAGUE? Hilarious! I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm asking you to understand why people think X, Y, and Z about HD having grown up on other games...and you still don't...just running through the same zhawks ****...you're wrong, I'm right, go to hell shtick.....
1/4/2010 12:07 PM
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LOFL...I think its funny that your response to "Hey, let's think about altering HD recruiting" is "SHUT UP!" Very entertaining. There is scattered feedback in HD...the player messages are incredibly vague and practically worthless...and the only time you TRULY KNOW when you're WINNING a recruit is when your teams name is the only one on the player's considering list. EA Sports recruiting makes HD look like a babbling idiot.

This shows again how you have 0 knowledge of HD recruiting.
1/4/2010 12:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/04/2010

If you can't understand how someone that "grew up" on EA Sports recruiting thinks that HD/GD recruiting are very vague and a crapshoot because they can't entirely understand what's going on in the process due to vagueness, then I don't know what to tell you. I had a new user friend that also grew up on EA NCAAF and he too agreed that he prefers EA's recruiting and agreed with my crapshoot comment about GD.



You view HD as vague because it isn't spoon fed for you who is winning each recruit. I understand exactly what you are saying and think it is complete non-sense.

I love how you pick and choose what you want to respond to, because deep down you know I'm right and would never admit it. Actually I am at work and am already wasting more time then I should showing you how wrong you are. And I have a life that is beyond arguing how stupid your ideas are for HD You yourself called parts of HD recruiting VAGUE....now you're saying I'm wrong because I say HD recruiting is VAGUE? Hilarious! I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm asking you to understand why people think X, Y, and Z about HD having grown up on other games...and you still don't...just running through the same zhawks ****...you're wrong, I'm right, go to hell shtick....
1/4/2010 12:10 PM
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Until you address everything I say, I'm done "debating" (if you can call it that, you offer nothing) with you. You've officially earned colonels19 boob status. You spin all of my arguments, you put words in my mouth, you don't address anything relevant and its quite plain to see here. Get back to work, boob.
1/4/2010 12:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/04/2010Until you address everything I say, I'm done "debating" (if you can call it that, you offer nothing) with you. You've officially earned colonels19 boob status. You spin all of my arguments, you put words in my mouth, you don't address anything relevant and its quite plain to see here. Get back to work, boob
I have not spun anything you have said. You have not listened to anything i have said except to continuely telling me that I don't know anything. You have shown numerous times that you lack the knowledge of HD to be able to accurately understand recruiting and therefore are unable to clearly discribe whether or not recruiting is or isn't vague.
1/4/2010 12:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 1/04/2010
what i really wonder is, colonel has 18666 post. were the other 18600 or so as arrogant and misguided as the 66 or so we've seen over the last couple days?
Know is a strong word and that's what I took exception with. There's no doubt in my mind that you guys understand D1 recruiting, hell recruiting in general, HD, etc better than I do, I've given you that all day every day, I'm not better than anyone that's posted here...again what I was taking exception with was initially zhawks saying that he KNOWS how recruiting will pan out, when actually he presumes, assumes, and has a good feel for it. You guys somehow want to keep spinning this into me saying that I'm the HD almighty. Your hatred for me has blinded you from seeing the true intents of my posts, in all seriousness
1/4/2010 12:39 PM
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I dont know what is "open" on this thread, but looking at recent discussion, I'll offer the following

prestige has zero direct effect on budget

BUT, higher prestige schools will often come from conferences that did better in postseason and have more postseason $

MAY, have more carryforward $

I am not aware of ANY randomness in the recruiting process - so if that is what folks mean when they have referred to crapshoot or coin toss, they are mistaken

On the other hand, there is a lot of intentional nontransparency - you need to figure out the meaning of the messages, use the available info to develop your view of how far ahead or behind you are and your view of the potential of the player - precise answers are not provided to these sorts of questions - on purpose.
1/4/2010 12:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/04/2010

I dont know what is "open" on this thread, but looking at recent discussion, I'll offer the following

prestige has zero direct effect on budget Thank you for clearing this up.

BUT, higher prestige schools will often come from conferences that did better in postseason and have more postseason $

MAY, have more carryforward $

I am not aware of ANY randomness in the recruiting process - so if that is what folks mean when they have referred to crapshoot or coin toss, they are mistaken You're missing context here...please read my post on page 5 comparing EA Sports recruiting to HD recruiting

On the other hand, there is a lot of intentional nontransparency - you need to figure out the meaning of the messages, use the available info to develop your view of how far ahead or behind you are and your view of the potential of the player - precise answers are not provided to these sorts of questions - on purpose.

1/4/2010 12:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/04/2010

I dont know what is "open" on this thread, but looking at recent discussion, I'll offer the following

prestige has zero direct effect on budget Thank you for clearing this up.

BUT, higher prestige schools will often come from conferences that did better in postseason and have more postseason $

MAY, have more carryforward $

I am not aware of ANY randomness in the recruiting process - so if that is what folks mean when they have referred to crapshoot or coin toss, they are mistaken You're missing context here...please read my post on page 5 comparing EA Sports recruiting to HD recruiting

On the other hand, there is a lot of intentional nontransparency - you need to figure out the meaning of the messages, use the available info to develop your view of how far ahead or behind you are and your view of the potential of the player - precise answers are not provided to these sorts of questions - on purpose.

Mets, don't waste your time he just wants recruiting spoon fed to him.
1/4/2010 1:08 PM
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And you don't want recruiting equalized to the point that it takes away from your insider advantage.
1/4/2010 1:20 PM
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I dont think Z pursues insider advantages - he wrote a very helfpful guide for newbies - which answers lots of questions that folks post on the forums - and I have seen him post lots of helpful info that aids newbies move up the learning cruve
1/4/2010 1:32 PM
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about crapshoot etc

here's the context

"I would like to see a more concrete recruiting system...its really quite a crapshoot as is. If it was more like the EA Sports format, I'd be happier...that makes sense to me...recruit a guy to your school based on prestige/location/coach prestige/coaching strategy/playing time, etc...have the 4 options hc visit, hc call, ac visit, ac call....give a team so many points based on prestige, schollies available, etc, and you have a better system than what's out there currently. Surprisingly, I find the current recruiting format to be unnecessarily complex...there's really a lot of coin flipping."

I have no clue how EA sports rectuing works. The factors mentioned are parallel. The difference appears to be that you are urging that all the points and inner workings of each battle be disclosed - show that Duke has invested 22 points and is 3 points ahead of Maryland for such and such recruit. I think that would be a lot less interesting game. Some folks like bridge, some folks like poker and some folks like the card game "war".....

I think there is a need for transparency on core operations but not transparency on every step of the way - and I confess that crap shoot and coin toss still say to me "randomness" rather than "opaqueness" IF that was what you meant.

1/4/2010 1:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/04/2010
about crapshoot etc

here's the context

"I would like to see a more concrete recruiting system...its really quite a crapshoot as is. If it was more like the EA Sports format, I'd be happier...that makes sense to me...recruit a guy to your school based on prestige/location/coach prestige/coaching strategy/playing time, etc...have the 4 options hc visit, hc call, ac visit, ac call....give a team so many points based on prestige, schollies available, etc, and you have a better system than what's out there currently. Surprisingly, I find the current recruiting format to be unnecessarily complex...there's really a lot of coin flipping."

I have no clue how EA sports rectuing works. The factors mentioned are parallel. The difference appears to be that you are urging that all the points and inner workings of each battle be disclosed - show that Duke has invested 22 points and is 3 points ahead of Maryland for such and such recruit. After the recruit has signed, not during the recruiting process. EA Sports doesn't show whose spent what before or after...I just think it flows better. I think that would be a lot less interesting game. Some folks like bridge, some folks like poker and some folks like the card game "war".....

I think there is a need for transparency on core operations but not transparency on every step of the way - and I confess that crap shoot and coin toss still say to me "randomness" rather than "opaqueness" IF that was what you meant. I agree it was probably a bad word choice but another of my friends called GD recruiting a crapshoot and he's been an EA gamer for quite some time as well. I don't want randomness, I just want people to see/understand how people that have played different games where they've had to recruit can view HD/GD recruiting, as off, bizarre, a crapshoot, too vague, etc. As far as WIS recruiting goes, I'm biting my nails off until the guy signs.



1/4/2010 1:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/04/2010
I dont think Z pursues insider advantages - he wrote a very helfpful guide for newbies - which answers lots of questions that folks post on the forums - and I have seen him post lots of helpful info that aids newbies move up the learning cruve
I think he fears a change in recruiting because it levels the playing field...I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he knows a loophole or two in the current WIS recruiting process that gives him an extra upper hand, in addition to his knowledge of the game. Something is fishy about how he's arguing, and that's what I'm bringing up.

I used a loophole in CRD until I and then after I quit, I told everyone about it, and the WIS CRD admin still told me that what I was doing didn't happen, even though I had exploited it season after season lol.
1/4/2010 1:44 PM
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