And the mere fact that someone is implying that the US goes to war for Corporate profits insults my as a Citizen!

Posted by rcrusso on 10/7/2010 4:48:00 PM (view original):
I am insulted that you took this long to be insulted.

Sometimes when you are being pelted with agenda driven propoganda for one side day and night you forget the basic principles that make you who you are.

It will not happen again!

Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/7/2010 4:42:00 PM (view original):
And the mere fact that someone is implying that the US goes to war for Corporate profits insults my as a Citizen!

So you're insulted that someone would actually interrupt your little fantasy world with the truth?

It isnt the truth.

You can say that Bush scammed to get the war started. I disagree but a case could be made.

There is no evidence to support that starting the war in Iraq would be a good profit idea. It just doesnt work out in a logical way. The war was a direct response to Al Qadea actions.

Do you really think that Vietnam was about profits? Vietnam was about stopping Communist expansion. You may laugh at that phrase, but you have to accept that there were many people who believed this. Johnson and Nixon were both anti-Communist.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce...... the most blindly naive man in the world!!!

I'm anti-communist too. Doesn't mean that we should invade countries because they decide to be independent of our intentions for spreading corporatism to their countries. Vietnam was about stopping the danger of sovereignty, not Soviet expansion.

I think Vietnam was more about a pair of newly crowned "world powers" that were not real keen about going toe to toe with each other, but were more than willing to use a variety of pawns to do battle in places that most people had never heard of.

Posted by creilmann on 10/8/2010 9:31:00 AM (view original):
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce...... the most blindly naive man in the world!!!

So in your mind the only motivation is profit. The reason that we started the Vietnam war was some poeple wanted to profit from it.

You have no idea what makes people do things.

The anti-Communism fever was real. I know we need to rewrite history now so that everyone who spoke out against the Soviets were crazy and the Soviets were all sweethearts, but that isnt the truth?

Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/6/2010 3:38:00 PM (view original):
1 We take care of our poor. Our Sick and our elderly.

2 The solution to education isnt tossing still more money at it. We need to make a fundemental shift in how we educate. In no other field is failure rewarded.

3 What war did we start? I will not even aruge that we didnt start Iraq, is that all you have?

Swamp you are crazy making that first bold statement.  America takes care of its poor?  Where do you get that idea?  Ask the millions of homeless Americans that and see what they have to say about that.  Hell ask the 10s of millions more Americans that earn less then even the poverty level.  Then ask the 10s of millions more Americans that are just above the poverty level how they feel they are being treated?  These people struggle everyday just to feed themselves.  That to me sir is a third world country for a very significat percentage of your population.  Do you have any idea the extent of the wage discrepancy between the top 1% and the bottom 50%?  I cant remember the precise number, but its mind boggling.  Compare that with any other democratic country and I GUARANTEE you that America comes dead last in all those things. 

Now when it comes to taking care of your sick, you ask the millions of americans that dont have health insurance when they get sick how they like being in serious debt for the rest of their lives to pay those doctors their million dollar salaries.  Now ask all of those Americans who have lost everything fighting their HMOs to have their health bills paid because their HMO has some bullsh*t reason why they shouldnt cover them.  Guess what?  EVERY other major democracy in the world has universal health care.  Granted if you are rich America is the best place to be to get whatever ails you fixed, but if you are poor like 50% of the wests people you had better be in Canada, England, France, Germany, or any of the other major democracys out there that care about their poor.

I dont know much about the elderly situation as I have no experience in it... both of my parents died before they had any need to go to an old fogeys home.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/9/2010 2:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by creilmann on 10/8/2010 9:31:00 AM (view original):
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce...... the most blindly naive man in the world!!!

So in your mind the only motivation is profit. The reason that we started the Vietnam war was some poeple wanted to profit from it.

You have no idea what makes people do things.

The anti-Communism fever was real. I know we need to rewrite history now so that everyone who spoke out against the Soviets were crazy and the Soviets were all sweethearts, but that isnt the truth?

Do you honestly think that profit isnt the prime motivator for the ruling class?  Come on now, you truely are the most naive person in the world Swamp.  Honestly.  How can you possibly believe what you say? 

Posted by greeny9 on 10/9/2010 9:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 10/9/2010 2:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by creilmann on 10/8/2010 9:31:00 AM (view original):
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce...... the most blindly naive man in the world!!!

So in your mind the only motivation is profit. The reason that we started the Vietnam war was some poeple wanted to profit from it.

You have no idea what makes people do things.

The anti-Communism fever was real. I know we need to rewrite history now so that everyone who spoke out against the Soviets were crazy and the Soviets were all sweethearts, but that isnt the truth?

Do you honestly think that profit isnt the prime motivator for the ruling class?  Come on now, you truely are the most naive person in the world Swamp.  Honestly.  How can you possibly believe what you say? 

You seperate people by money and attach a whole way of looking at the world based only on money.

I think we are all the same.

I could understand Nixon breaking the rules to stop Communist expansion in SE Asia. It is something I might do.

I cannot imagine people not caring about their Country. National honor is common to all people.

scamming on your taxes is a little different than going to war solely for profit.