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Not sure.  But I know you wouldn't be allowed to run 40 win teams out in worlds I commish.   

I assume you could trade any good current player with a salary for a lesser future player.   Then take the extra payroll into FA the next season while ensuring you have the top pick and prospect money for a top IFA for a couple of seasons.   It's not really a bad strategy.  But you'd have win more games to stay in world with win requirements.   Technically, even under WifS weak tanking guidelines, he was two outcomes from failing to hit their .250 minimum.
10/28/2010 11:48 AM
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Oh yeah, my Hobbs team, I traded away a handful of really expensive contracts and signed some cheaper defensive guys, traded for pitching and my team is now winning with the best teams in the world. I haven't had one season of tanking in HBD and don't plan on it, I hate losing.
10/28/2010 11:49 AM
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Maybe you missed the part where I said I took over those teams. If you want to consider that a reflection of how I build a team and not the results that followed than so be it, that's on you.

10/28/2010 11:50 AM
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I will say that it can do alot to your overall record when you take over an abandoned team if you havent played alot of seasons. 3 of my 4 first seasons were replacements. I wish that WIS would not include those seasons if you take them over after the AS break.
10/28/2010 11:55 AM
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I love how you guys refer to any losing season as tanking. Rebuilding and tanking are two distinct things. Can you rebuild in one season and win the second season? Well, I'm pretty sure you can because I've done it. Can you tank and win after one season? Pretty sure you need more than one season to do what you guys refer to as tanking.
10/28/2010 11:56 AM
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If you are "rebuilding" and lose 100+ games with low payroll, you are tanking. Tanking isnt trying to lose. It is not trying to win. If you are selling off all of players for prospects you are not trying to win, so; therefore you are tanking.
10/28/2010 11:58 AM
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Of my 15 seasons, 5 were replacements that I did nto return to the following season. 1 was in Hobbs and 1 was Stargell that I remained in both. So almost half my seasons are as a replacement owner and that really hurts my record but the teams I have had for multiple seasons (excluding Bo Jackso who I took over in two consecutive season with two different teams) I have winning records in.
10/28/2010 11:59 AM
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If you take one season to get rid of the bad contracts and expensive veterans and replace them the following season with talented minor leaguers and sign free agents than you are not tanking. If you dump players and keep your payroll low season after season while continuing to lose, you are probably tanking. There is a distinct difference that I think most on here can't grasp.
10/28/2010 12:03 PM
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By trading those veterans, what do you not care if you do?
10/28/2010 12:11 PM
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Why don't you just say that you think rebuilding is unacceptable? I know you want to. Just come out and say it. Don't be afraid.
10/28/2010 12:18 PM
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Rebuilding doesn't mean winning 42 games.  The game is designed where everyone can/should win between 60 and 100 every year.   Owners winning or losing 120 have a f'd up world.   Shouldn't happen. 
10/28/2010 12:29 PM
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Posted by timf on 10/28/2010 11:46:00 AM (view original):
Those 120 loss seasons were both me coming in midseason as a replacement. In stargell I came in with about 8 games left and a dead pitching staff. I promoted a few minor leaguers, signed some FA's and have never missed the playoffs since. It's too bad WiS puts those seasons on my record and not the owner who left the team for dead. The season in Hunter I was doing them a favor, I never stuck around after that season but returned later with a different franchise. So Mike, I wouldn't have been removed because I came in for the owner that would have been removed.
Once again.
10/28/2010 12:46 PM
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Posted by timf on 10/28/2010 12:18:00 PM (view original):
Why don't you just say that you think rebuilding is unacceptable? I know you want to. Just come out and say it. Don't be afraid.
I do have a different outlook. For example, my team in public works sucks. I go out and get a player that is 28 and signed to a multi-year deal that has a career .900 OPS. Now I have improved my team this season and for future seasons. Do I have a shot at the playoffs sitting 15 games out of first place with 40 to go. Hell no, but I am going to win as many games as I possibly. I guess, in a way, I put my own win requirements in place for me.
10/28/2010 12:50 PM
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I really don't think either strategy is wrong. My team in Hunter I took from 69 wins to 83 the next and here in my 5th season I've improved every season and I'm now at 102 wins and the #1 seed. It's not like I take a team from being terrible and have them competing for a WS in one season but I do make them a playoff contender. I'm not trying to lose 100 games for 5 seasons so I can stock up on IFA's. That is unacceptable to me but using one season as a building tool is how I do it. I wouldn't be upset if a guy took two seasons but if he didn't up his payroll after that and was still losing I'd have a real problem.
10/28/2010 1:03 PM
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It's not co-incidence that "I should be able to trade how I want" turned into tanking discussion.   Because, far too often, owners trading good players for nothing but "cap space" are paving the way for a tankjob.
10/28/2010 1:31 PM
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