Pippen has 2 premium seasons if used as SG and 3 good seasons at SG. Pippen is a solid SG pick, but I had him in 2nd round. There are better players still out there who fill the bill at SG.

This is the most unique thing I’ve been a part of here. I feel like all ADP/past draft stuff kinda goes out the window. Is a player with 3 elite seasons and 2 average seasons worth more than a player with 5 great seasons? Do you aim to be great in 2 leagues or good in 5? More leagues will be filled with players’ 3rd/4th/5th best seasons (and a smaller pool of talent overall since there are 12 unique players per team instead of 7), so 52 eFG% starts to look pretty dang good. I’m sure we’ll see 24 different strategies implemented here.

That said...in my opinion:
Shaq was a steal and is going to be in MVP races in all 5 seasons.
Barkley fell about 4 spots lower than he should and Pex is going to make some very good teams.
Magic is an underrated pick because I feel that most PGs who normally go in the mid rounds of ODL and DH52 don’t have 5 good seasons, but most forwards and centers do...meaning that a PG with 5 good seasons gets a big boost because you won’t have to cobble multiple players together later to fill the spot (also a big reason I picked Harden, the other reason being that with Curry and LeBron banned, he’s clearly now the #1 player of his build type now and I won’t have to chase 3s or usage later)

Posted by tarheel1991 on 5/23/2020 11:53:00 AM (view original):
1. Being in ash's screenshot from 12 years ago should be worth at least 5 bonus points in this league

2. Lot of classic usernames on that screenshot that I wish were still around (at least one, who appears to have had two teams in that league under different usernames, is of course still here under an entirely different name - maybe more than that as well)

Yes, some solid GM’s there that I remember fondly from my first pass in SLBK. In lots of theme leagues with them.

I liked the Pippen pick for the 5 high level season one gets. He fills the stat sheet and high minutes.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 5/23/2020 2:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by longtallbrad on 5/23/2020 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Talk to me about the Worm. Did anyone else consider him worthy of a first round pick?

I think so - he was probably between 22-28 on my board. 2nd on my list of low-usage rebounders behind Deandre. We all know about the monster early 90s seasons, but the late 80s seasons are very good too. The risks are (1) low-ish minutes and (2) the opportunity cost of spending a very high pick on a very low-usage player while all the quality high-usage players are being picked. We'll see how you address that with your second pick.

He would have been the perfect fit next to Durant for me - but I knew there was no chance of him making it all the way back to my pick in the 2nd.

That was my logic. I do worry about efficient scoring and ast%, but I tend to be compulsive about boards in draft leagues. I don't think Rodman was a particularly strong move in the first (he would have seemed like a steal a few spots later in the top of the second), but the other players I was looking at hard either weren't as unique or their value drops off steeply after three or four seasons.

Posted by dBKC on 5/23/2020 3:40:00 PM (view original):
This is the most unique thing I’ve been a part of here. I feel like all ADP/past draft stuff kinda goes out the window. Is a player with 3 elite seasons and 2 average seasons worth more than a player with 5 great seasons? Do you aim to be great in 2 leagues or good in 5? More leagues will be filled with players’ 3rd/4th/5th best seasons (and a smaller pool of talent overall since there are 12 unique players per team instead of 7), so 52 eFG% starts to look pretty dang good. I’m sure we’ll see 24 different strategies implemented here.

That said...in my opinion:
Shaq was a steal and is going to be in MVP races in all 5 seasons.
Barkley fell about 4 spots lower than he should and Pex is going to make some very good teams.
Magic is an underrated pick because I feel that most PGs who normally go in the mid rounds of ODL and DH52 don’t have 5 good seasons, but most forwards and centers do...meaning that a PG with 5 good seasons gets a big boost because you won’t have to cobble multiple players together later to fill the spot (also a big reason I picked Harden, the other reason being that with Curry and LeBron banned, he’s clearly now the #1 player of his build type now and I won’t have to chase 3s or usage later)

I honestly and not even consulting ADP. I don’t think it has value in this context.

Same. I’m valuing it at about 1%. Pretty much not even a factor.

It not only lose value in the obvious way (new format, different values for players), but also because one of my main uses of it was to trade to trade around in the draft order to find a good spot to land my guy. That’s not a thing here, might as well just pick your guy even if he’s “early”, but who even knows if you’re picking a guy too early or not

Posted by dBKC on 5/23/2020 3:40:00 PM (view original):
This is the most unique thing I’ve been a part of here. I feel like all ADP/past draft stuff kinda goes out the window. Is a player with 3 elite seasons and 2 average seasons worth more than a player with 5 great seasons? Do you aim to be great in 2 leagues or good in 5? More leagues will be filled with players’ 3rd/4th/5th best seasons (and a smaller pool of talent overall since there are 12 unique players per team instead of 7), so 52 eFG% starts to look pretty dang good. I’m sure we’ll see 24 different strategies implemented here.

That said...in my opinion:
Shaq was a steal and is going to be in MVP races in all 5 seasons.
Barkley fell about 4 spots lower than he should and Pex is going to make some very good teams.
Magic is an underrated pick because I feel that most PGs who normally go in the mid rounds of ODL and DH52 don’t have 5 good seasons, but most forwards and centers do...meaning that a PG with 5 good seasons gets a big boost because you won’t have to cobble multiple players together later to fill the spot (also a big reason I picked Harden, the other reason being that with Curry and LeBron banned, he’s clearly now the #1 player of his build type now and I won’t have to chase 3s or usage later)

I agree on all points. I'm realizing that filling the PG position - or getting enough ast% one way or another - is one of the dicier elements of this adventure. And I expect it will take at least two and as many as four rounds before we (or at least I) start to figure out who is pursuing what strategy - trying to win at least one league, or trying to take the whole thing. Trying to build a core rotation that is good to great in all five leagues, or piecing together somewhat different rosters from league to league. Trying to climb to the top of the ladder, or trying not to utterly embarrass oneself.

I'm sorry sea dropped out. He's a good hombre and I've been in many, many leagues with him. And I'm glad to have a shot at this. (And at some point my wife will frostily wonder aloud why I'm spending this many pesos on a game based on a game. I couldn't possibly tell you when I last bought a six-pack of teams.)

Klay is the guy I thought I was going to get laughed at for...thought he had a chance to get back to me.

I’ll post more thoughts later, but lot of talk about Work: my plan on the turn was to get Worm & Giannis. They would have paired together positionally exceptionally well with the “am I pf or sf” thing they each go through. I thought Giannis might last to early round 2 because of that fifth season being meh and his best season being lower minutes. Of course, there’s nothing saying Ben wouldn’t’ve ****** up my plans, but that close to the turn, I felt good about other potential partners for Worm, and you should, too!

Regarding Klay... he’s the best high usage + efg% guy left that I see, has good to great defense, low tov%, and is unparalleled from distance in this format. He also has **** rebounds and **** dimes so, yeah.

Posted by longtallbrad on 5/23/2020 4:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 5/23/2020 3:40:00 PM (view original):
This is the most unique thing I’ve been a part of here. I feel like all ADP/past draft stuff kinda goes out the window. Is a player with 3 elite seasons and 2 average seasons worth more than a player with 5 great seasons? Do you aim to be great in 2 leagues or good in 5? More leagues will be filled with players’ 3rd/4th/5th best seasons (and a smaller pool of talent overall since there are 12 unique players per team instead of 7), so 52 eFG% starts to look pretty dang good. I’m sure we’ll see 24 different strategies implemented here.

That said...in my opinion:
Shaq was a steal and is going to be in MVP races in all 5 seasons.
Barkley fell about 4 spots lower than he should and Pex is going to make some very good teams.
Magic is an underrated pick because I feel that most PGs who normally go in the mid rounds of ODL and DH52 don’t have 5 good seasons, but most forwards and centers do...meaning that a PG with 5 good seasons gets a big boost because you won’t have to cobble multiple players together later to fill the spot (also a big reason I picked Harden, the other reason being that with Curry and LeBron banned, he’s clearly now the #1 player of his build type now and I won’t have to chase 3s or usage later)

I agree on all points. I'm realizing that filling the PG position - or getting enough ast% one way or another - is one of the dicier elements of this adventure. And I expect it will take at least two and as many as four rounds before we (or at least I) start to figure out who is pursuing what strategy - trying to win at least one league, or trying to take the whole thing. Trying to build a core rotation that is good to great in all five leagues, or piecing together somewhat different rosters from league to league. Trying to climb to the top of the ladder, or trying not to utterly embarrass oneself.

I'm sorry sea dropped out. He's a good hombre and I've been in many, many leagues with him. And I'm glad to have a shot at this. (And at some point my wife will frostily wonder aloud why I'm spending this many pesos on a game based on a game. I couldn't possibly tell you when I last bought a six-pack of teams.)

seapilots is the most chipper person on this entire site.

Klay is a very interesting pick. I like it, I just didn’t expect it. Makes sense though, he’s got 5 good seasons and is great at what he does.

Woah.

Personally, I find Hakeem and Erving really hard to build around, but you could pretty easily make the case that the most easily sustainable model to draft and reproduce across five seasons is the all elite defense team. And both give you tons of minutes minutes at 100 defense over and over and over again. It isn't what I would have predicted but it is pretty smart.

Posted by robusk on 5/23/2020 5:25:00 PM (view original):
Personally, I find Hakeem and Erving really hard to build around, but you could pretty easily make the case that the most easily sustainable model to draft and reproduce across five seasons is the all elite defense team. And both give you tons of minutes minutes at 100 defense over and over and over again. It isn't what I would have predicted but it is pretty smart.

Any other direction I thought to go in I was just going to be doing the same things as the top few guys just with worse players.

they are hard to build around because of cap restrictions. When I moved back I was targeting 6 players for my 1st and 2nd picks. They were two of them.