Posted by tangplay on 7/15/2020 1:22:00 PM (view original):
If you don't want to get fired for saying "all lives matter," you should convince more people that you are in the right. Otherwise, don't cry about losing the culture war. I would say the same to someone who might get fired for advocating for a revolution against the upper class to seize the means of production.

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Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 7/14/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
I am in complete agreement. It really is not a stretch at all to say that open support of Trump is implicit support of white supremacism. In the coming years, it will be a more and more important job of HR departments to monitor the social media channels of their employees. We are facing a time of unprecedented hate in this country, and there should be absolutely no mercy shown to racists. It is bad for business and bad for the country. Fire them all and do it publicly. There should be a website set up to track all of those fired for hate offenses to ensure that no respectable organization will ever hire them again.

But I bet you think convicted felons should be in some way guaranteed more opportunities than they tend to get now...

It's ok if you held up a liquor store 10 years ago. As long as you didn't say anything negative about the black cashier.

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Posted by tangplay on 7/15/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:03:00 PM (view original):
I have mixed feelings about it.

On the one hand, I would like to respect the rights of employers to employee whoever they would like to employ. On the other hand, that's pretty well out the door anyway. Anti-discrimination legislation exists. You can't choose to fire, or not hire, someone because they are a woman, disabled, etc. unless it would have a concrete negative impact on their ability to do the job. This includes people with disabilities caused by doing stupid stuff. Get drunk and all into an empty pool at a college party and wind up a paraplegic? You still can't be discriminated against. It's not that big of a logical leap from there to believing stupid things.

I also think it's already very hard for blue-collar workers to achieve life stability. I've known my wife for a little under 18 years. In that time her mom has worked for Wal-Mart (twice, but at the same store), 2 McDonalds, 2 Rutters, 2 Sheetz, a Royal Farms, and likely another place or 2 I'm forgetting. Sometimes she's only part time. I just think in general that blue collar people in particular need whatever employment protections they can get. If you make it too easy to fire people for their beliefs, which are generally hard to quantify, hard to prove when they've changed, etc. I feel like you're setting up a loophole making it very easy to get rid of anyone at any time even if they have the luxury of a protective contract.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that we change any law. I'm arguing against what many right wingers have been suggesting - a federal anti-political discrimination law. I'm perfectly fine with the status quo.

Political belief is separate from other types of discrimination (including, even, felon discrimination) because at any time you can choose to change what you believe. Even if you made a stupid mistake and got a felony a decade ago, you can't change that. You can always change your mind about black people being genetically inferior to white people.

Right now, you can get fired for political belief. The culture is as such currently that most left-wing ideologies are good (other than tankies, and **** those people). A law that protects people from their employers based on ideology would serve to only benefit the interests of racists and fascists. Why should I care about the livelihood of those people? It wouldn't benefit me in any way. Yes, we should discourage people from being fascist.

So you're ok with a system in which employability depends on how the political winds blow?

By the way, it's not even clear that you're right about what the majority believe. It's just the loudest group. The most recent polling data I've seen (here) still suggests that a significantly greater number of Americans still prefer the All Lives Matter statement.

Yes. I am ok with that system. I wouldn't be OK if the government was regulating which way the political winds blow.

Here was the phrasing of the question:

Which statement is closest to your own: black lives matter or all lives matter? Or does neither statement reflect your point of view?

This is a weird way of putting it. If I were given this question, I would answer "all lives matter," as would most members of the BLM movement. The question should instead be something along the lines of, "Do you feel that the black lives matter movement excludes members of a different race?"

Saying, "All lives matter" without a specific context is OK. Saying it in response, or to challenge the BLM movement implies that there is some sort of disagreement there. It takes up a different meaning.

Posted by Uofa2 on 7/15/2020 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 7/14/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
I am in complete agreement. It really is not a stretch at all to say that open support of Trump is implicit support of white supremacism. In the coming years, it will be a more and more important job of HR departments to monitor the social media channels of their employees. We are facing a time of unprecedented hate in this country, and there should be absolutely no mercy shown to racists. It is bad for business and bad for the country. Fire them all and do it publicly. There should be a website set up to track all of those fired for hate offenses to ensure that no respectable organization will ever hire them again.

But I bet you think convicted felons should be in some way guaranteed more opportunities than they tend to get now...

It's ok if you held up a liquor store 10 years ago. As long as you didn't say anything negative about the black cashier.

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It is pretty disgusting that you are equating convicted felons with racists. (how many of these convicted felons were convicted because of their race? Look at the numbers, convictions are completely disproportionate to demographics. Systemic racism.)

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/15/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:03:00 PM (view original):
I have mixed feelings about it.

On the one hand, I would like to respect the rights of employers to employee whoever they would like to employ. On the other hand, that's pretty well out the door anyway. Anti-discrimination legislation exists. You can't choose to fire, or not hire, someone because they are a woman, disabled, etc. unless it would have a concrete negative impact on their ability to do the job. This includes people with disabilities caused by doing stupid stuff. Get drunk and all into an empty pool at a college party and wind up a paraplegic? You still can't be discriminated against. It's not that big of a logical leap from there to believing stupid things.

I also think it's already very hard for blue-collar workers to achieve life stability. I've known my wife for a little under 18 years. In that time her mom has worked for Wal-Mart (twice, but at the same store), 2 McDonalds, 2 Rutters, 2 Sheetz, a Royal Farms, and likely another place or 2 I'm forgetting. Sometimes she's only part time. I just think in general that blue collar people in particular need whatever employment protections they can get. If you make it too easy to fire people for their beliefs, which are generally hard to quantify, hard to prove when they've changed, etc. I feel like you're setting up a loophole making it very easy to get rid of anyone at any time even if they have the luxury of a protective contract.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that we change any law. I'm arguing against what many right wingers have been suggesting - a federal anti-political discrimination law. I'm perfectly fine with the status quo.

Political belief is separate from other types of discrimination (including, even, felon discrimination) because at any time you can choose to change what you believe. Even if you made a stupid mistake and got a felony a decade ago, you can't change that. You can always change your mind about black people being genetically inferior to white people.

Right now, you can get fired for political belief. The culture is as such currently that most left-wing ideologies are good (other than tankies, and **** those people). A law that protects people from their employers based on ideology would serve to only benefit the interests of racists and fascists. Why should I care about the livelihood of those people? It wouldn't benefit me in any way. Yes, we should discourage people from being fascist.

So you're ok with a system in which employability depends on how the political winds blow?

By the way, it's not even clear that you're right about what the majority believe. It's just the loudest group. The most recent polling data I've seen (here) still suggests that a significantly greater number of Americans still prefer the All Lives Matter statement.

This is because, as anybody who has done any research knows, that most Americans are racist (look who they voted president!!!) Does not surprise me at all .

I know I said I wasn't going to post much anymore, but I have to ask. Can I see your evidence that most Americans are racists? Any evidence at all? While I do think that racism is more prevalent than a lot of people think, I don't know about "most" Americans being racists.

Posted by coreander on 7/15/2020 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 7/15/2020 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 7/14/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
I am in complete agreement. It really is not a stretch at all to say that open support of Trump is implicit support of white supremacism. In the coming years, it will be a more and more important job of HR departments to monitor the social media channels of their employees. We are facing a time of unprecedented hate in this country, and there should be absolutely no mercy shown to racists. It is bad for business and bad for the country. Fire them all and do it publicly. There should be a website set up to track all of those fired for hate offenses to ensure that no respectable organization will ever hire them again.

But I bet you think convicted felons should be in some way guaranteed more opportunities than they tend to get now...

It's ok if you held up a liquor store 10 years ago. As long as you didn't say anything negative about the black cashier.

This

It is pretty disgusting that you are equating convicted felons with racists. (how many of these convicted felons were convicted because of their race? Look at the numbers, convictions are completely disproportionate to demographics. Systemic racism.)

It’s pretty disgusting how immature, naive, and ignorant you are. Your arguments can’t withstand the slightest pushback. All felons are victims, huh? All of them? And every person who has said something racist should never work again? All of them? It’s ******* bananas you think this sounds palatable to a normal human being. Have fun with pre crimes, Minority Report.

Posted by coreander on 7/15/2020 7:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/15/2020 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:03:00 PM (view original):
I have mixed feelings about it.

On the one hand, I would like to respect the rights of employers to employee whoever they would like to employ. On the other hand, that's pretty well out the door anyway. Anti-discrimination legislation exists. You can't choose to fire, or not hire, someone because they are a woman, disabled, etc. unless it would have a concrete negative impact on their ability to do the job. This includes people with disabilities caused by doing stupid stuff. Get drunk and all into an empty pool at a college party and wind up a paraplegic? You still can't be discriminated against. It's not that big of a logical leap from there to believing stupid things.

I also think it's already very hard for blue-collar workers to achieve life stability. I've known my wife for a little under 18 years. In that time her mom has worked for Wal-Mart (twice, but at the same store), 2 McDonalds, 2 Rutters, 2 Sheetz, a Royal Farms, and likely another place or 2 I'm forgetting. Sometimes she's only part time. I just think in general that blue collar people in particular need whatever employment protections they can get. If you make it too easy to fire people for their beliefs, which are generally hard to quantify, hard to prove when they've changed, etc. I feel like you're setting up a loophole making it very easy to get rid of anyone at any time even if they have the luxury of a protective contract.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that we change any law. I'm arguing against what many right wingers have been suggesting - a federal anti-political discrimination law. I'm perfectly fine with the status quo.

Political belief is separate from other types of discrimination (including, even, felon discrimination) because at any time you can choose to change what you believe. Even if you made a stupid mistake and got a felony a decade ago, you can't change that. You can always change your mind about black people being genetically inferior to white people.

Right now, you can get fired for political belief. The culture is as such currently that most left-wing ideologies are good (other than tankies, and **** those people). A law that protects people from their employers based on ideology would serve to only benefit the interests of racists and fascists. Why should I care about the livelihood of those people? It wouldn't benefit me in any way. Yes, we should discourage people from being fascist.

So you're ok with a system in which employability depends on how the political winds blow?

By the way, it's not even clear that you're right about what the majority believe. It's just the loudest group. The most recent polling data I've seen (here) still suggests that a significantly greater number of Americans still prefer the All Lives Matter statement.

This is because, as anybody who has done any research knows, that most Americans are racist (look who they voted president!!!) Does not surprise me at all .

3 million more people voted for Hillary than Trump, you idiot.

Posted by Uofa2 on 7/15/2020 7:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 7/15/2020 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 7/15/2020 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 7/14/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
I am in complete agreement. It really is not a stretch at all to say that open support of Trump is implicit support of white supremacism. In the coming years, it will be a more and more important job of HR departments to monitor the social media channels of their employees. We are facing a time of unprecedented hate in this country, and there should be absolutely no mercy shown to racists. It is bad for business and bad for the country. Fire them all and do it publicly. There should be a website set up to track all of those fired for hate offenses to ensure that no respectable organization will ever hire them again.

But I bet you think convicted felons should be in some way guaranteed more opportunities than they tend to get now...

It's ok if you held up a liquor store 10 years ago. As long as you didn't say anything negative about the black cashier.

This

It is pretty disgusting that you are equating convicted felons with racists. (how many of these convicted felons were convicted because of their race? Look at the numbers, convictions are completely disproportionate to demographics. Systemic racism.)

It’s pretty disgusting how immature, naive, and ignorant you are. Your arguments can’t withstand the slightest pushback. All felons are victims, huh? All of them? And every person who has said something racist should never work again? All of them? It’s ******* bananas you think this sounds palatable to a normal human being. Have fun with pre crimes, Minority Report.

So you would hire a racist? White privilege thy name is Uofa2.

I'm sorry you think it is SOOO sad white people can't be racist anymore. Or atleast that there are consequences to their racist actions. If you think not employing racists is bad wait til you read the chapter in American history about SLAVERY. *shrugs, wypipo are crazy

Congrats, you’ve clowned yourself, Doug of the Left.

The more clever response would be to ask if crimes are environmental or genetic.

As in, are criminals inherently destined to be criminals at birth, or are actions a result of environmental factors?

I think a legitimate case could be made that all felons are victims. The case does not involve "white privilege haha you racist".

Posted by tangplay on 7/16/2020 9:06:00 PM (view original):
The more clever response would be to ask if crimes are environmental or genetic.

As in, are criminals inherently destined to be criminals at birth, or are actions a result of environmental factors?

I think a legitimate case could be made that all felons are victims. The case does not involve "white privilege haha you racist".

Or that people shouldn't suffer for life because of a mistake and should be allowed to evolve. Or, or, or, there's countless ways to have taken this that would've been more productive than 10,000 Likes took it.

Posted by Uofa2 on 7/15/2020 7:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 7/15/2020 7:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Uofa2 on 7/15/2020 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/15/2020 1:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by coreander on 7/14/2020 2:22:00 PM (view original):
I am in complete agreement. It really is not a stretch at all to say that open support of Trump is implicit support of white supremacism. In the coming years, it will be a more and more important job of HR departments to monitor the social media channels of their employees. We are facing a time of unprecedented hate in this country, and there should be absolutely no mercy shown to racists. It is bad for business and bad for the country. Fire them all and do it publicly. There should be a website set up to track all of those fired for hate offenses to ensure that no respectable organization will ever hire them again.

But I bet you think convicted felons should be in some way guaranteed more opportunities than they tend to get now...

It's ok if you held up a liquor store 10 years ago. As long as you didn't say anything negative about the black cashier.

This

It is pretty disgusting that you are equating convicted felons with racists. (how many of these convicted felons were convicted because of their race? Look at the numbers, convictions are completely disproportionate to demographics. Systemic racism.)

It’s pretty disgusting how immature, naive, and ignorant you are. Your arguments can’t withstand the slightest pushback. All felons are victims, huh? All of them? And every person who has said something racist should never work again? All of them? It’s ******* bananas you think this sounds palatable to a normal human being. Have fun with pre crimes, Minority Report.

I lol’ed

Posted by Uofa2 on 7/16/2020 6:30:00 PM (view original):
Congrats, you’ve clowned yourself, Doug of the Left.

I lol’ed again.