Posted by ashamael on 8/6/2020 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
There’s some really good players left on the board. As crazy as it sounds, I think unbanning the big 3 helped the bottom of the draft a bit too. There’s potential for a great pairing at the turn.

Ben & I both argued this, and as usual, we were 100% correct.

I disagreed then. I still disagree.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/6/2020 10:50:00 PM (view original):
I've compiled an entirely unrealistic list of several potential second round picks who will almost certainly be drafted in the next 10 picks. Very productive.

go ahead and send me that list - I pick 33rd... Ive put your check in the mail

Posted by dh555 on 8/6/2020 10:49:00 PM (view original):
No changes will be made about the 19-20 players. I made it clear in the sitemail I sent at the start of the draft - Draft at your own risk! I'm certainly not going to make a change now that the draft has started. I'm not interested in putting a deadline on it either. The draft will end when the draft ends.

The last two rounds will be on a clock. So the draft will officially end either when ysw128 makes his final pick or 30 mins after his time slot. If the players aren't released by then, they can't be used. Period.

I could care less about owners having to deal with the stress of knowing if they can use the 19-20 season for their teams or not. That's something you'll have to plan around. If you don't want to risk it, don't draft players whose 19-20 seasons you're counting on. This is the savage way.

The main problem you guys brought up, and rightfully so, is owners stalling. As competitive as we all are here, I think we are more than capable of policing ourselves here. If someone is constantly late for their picks, it's gonna be obvious and called out. albiband0 was a few hours late today and people were calling for him to be replaced already! Jcred is literally tracking pick times haha. Could it lead to problems? Maybe. But this is a pretty tight knit community we have here. You try to pull a fast one on this group and you'll probably be blackballed from other theme leagues.

I'm sorry if you disagree with my decision. I thought it would add an extra layer of savagery for this season. I really wanted the 19-20 players to be a part of this season if possible and I don't trust WIS enough to wait until the players are released before we start.

Understood. You da boss buddy. Would it address the stalling issue, as someone said, to just go ahead and set a date certain for the cut-off date (i.e. if 19-20 guys aren’t in by 8/19 we’re not using them)?

Posted by jhsukow on 8/6/2020 11:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/6/2020 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
There’s some really good players left on the board. As crazy as it sounds, I think unbanning the big 3 helped the bottom of the draft a bit too. There’s potential for a great pairing at the turn.

Ben & I both argued this, and as usual, we were 100% correct.

I disagreed then. I still disagree.

I don’t understand how you could disagree. There are three more players available at 22 than there last season. Three more FIRST ROUND guys. You have better players to choose from than you did last season, and while the top 3 are better as well, there’s a bigger difference at the turn.

but I guess that’s why they make chocolate & vanilla.

Posted by dh555 on 8/6/2020 10:49:00 PM (view original):
No changes will be made about the 19-20 players. I made it clear in the sitemail I sent at the start of the draft - Draft at your own risk! I'm certainly not going to make a change now that the draft has started. I'm not interested in putting a deadline on it either. The draft will end when the draft ends.

The last two rounds will be on a clock. So the draft will officially end either when ysw128 makes his final pick or 30 mins after his time slot. If the players aren't released by then, they can't be used. Period.

I could care less about owners having to deal with the stress of knowing if they can use the 19-20 season for their teams or not. That's something you'll have to plan around. If you don't want to risk it, don't draft players whose 19-20 seasons you're counting on. This is the savage way.

The main problem you guys brought up, and rightfully so, is owners stalling. As competitive as we all are here, I think we are more than capable of policing ourselves here. If someone is constantly late for their picks, it's gonna be obvious and called out. albiband0 was a few hours late today and people were calling for him to be replaced already! Jcred is literally tracking pick times haha. Could it lead to problems? Maybe. But this is a pretty tight knit community we have here. You try to pull a fast one on this group and you'll probably be blackballed from other theme leagues.

I'm sorry if you disagree with my decision. I thought it would add an extra layer of savagery for this season. I really wanted the 19-20 players to be a part of this season if possible and I don't trust WIS enough to wait until the players are released before we start.

Completely agreed, understood & appreciated.
All hail the Savage Overlord! *grunts*

Posted by ashamael on 8/7/2020 12:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 8/6/2020 11:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/6/2020 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
There’s some really good players left on the board. As crazy as it sounds, I think unbanning the big 3 helped the bottom of the draft a bit too. There’s potential for a great pairing at the turn.

Ben & I both argued this, and as usual, we were 100% correct.

I disagreed then. I still disagree.

I don’t understand how you could disagree. There are three more players available at 22 than there last season. Three more FIRST ROUND guys. You have better players to choose from than you did last season, and while the top 3 are better as well, there’s a bigger difference at the turn.

but I guess that’s why they make chocolate & vanilla.

I can't believe I'm saying this but ash is absolutely right. Who disagrees with this? The turn is easier too, duh!

I really wish this were the Reckless Draft League. I'd crush that

Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/6/2020 11:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dh555 on 8/6/2020 10:49:00 PM (view original):
No changes will be made about the 19-20 players. I made it clear in the sitemail I sent at the start of the draft - Draft at your own risk! I'm certainly not going to make a change now that the draft has started. I'm not interested in putting a deadline on it either. The draft will end when the draft ends.

The last two rounds will be on a clock. So the draft will officially end either when ysw128 makes his final pick or 30 mins after his time slot. If the players aren't released by then, they can't be used. Period.

I could care less about owners having to deal with the stress of knowing if they can use the 19-20 season for their teams or not. That's something you'll have to plan around. If you don't want to risk it, don't draft players whose 19-20 seasons you're counting on. This is the savage way.

The main problem you guys brought up, and rightfully so, is owners stalling. As competitive as we all are here, I think we are more than capable of policing ourselves here. If someone is constantly late for their picks, it's gonna be obvious and called out. albiband0 was a few hours late today and people were calling for him to be replaced already! Jcred is literally tracking pick times haha. Could it lead to problems? Maybe. But this is a pretty tight knit community we have here. You try to pull a fast one on this group and you'll probably be blackballed from other theme leagues.

I'm sorry if you disagree with my decision. I thought it would add an extra layer of savagery for this season. I really wanted the 19-20 players to be a part of this season if possible and I don't trust WIS enough to wait until the players are released before we start.

Understood. You da boss buddy. Would it address the stalling issue, as someone said, to just go ahead and set a date certain for the cut-off date (i.e. if 19-20 guys aren’t in by 8/19 we’re not using them)?

im not your buddy, guy!

id rather not have to wait until 8/19 if we finish early, or end the possibility of using the 19-20 players early if we finish late

but if you really want a date set in stone, create a poll and 13 votes will make it happen

Posted by bds9992 on 8/7/2020 12:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/7/2020 12:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 8/6/2020 11:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/6/2020 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
There’s some really good players left on the board. As crazy as it sounds, I think unbanning the big 3 helped the bottom of the draft a bit too. There’s potential for a great pairing at the turn.

Ben & I both argued this, and as usual, we were 100% correct.

I disagreed then. I still disagree.

I don’t understand how you could disagree. There are three more players available at 22 than there last season. Three more FIRST ROUND guys. You have better players to choose from than you did last season, and while the top 3 are better as well, there’s a bigger difference at the turn.

but I guess that’s why they make chocolate & vanilla.

I can't believe I'm saying this but ash is absolutely right. Who disagrees with this? The turn is easier too, duh!

wait whats being argued here?

that the bottom of the draft is stronger now(that should be obvious)

or that the bottom of the draft being stronger was a good reason for unbanning the big 3(id argue that)

Posted by ashamael on 8/7/2020 12:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 8/6/2020 11:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/6/2020 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
There’s some really good players left on the board. As crazy as it sounds, I think unbanning the big 3 helped the bottom of the draft a bit too. There’s potential for a great pairing at the turn.

Ben & I both argued this, and as usual, we were 100% correct.

I disagreed then. I still disagree.

I don’t understand how you could disagree. There are three more players available at 22 than there last season. Three more FIRST ROUND guys. You have better players to choose from than you did last season, and while the top 3 are better as well, there’s a bigger difference at the turn.

but I guess that’s why they make chocolate & vanilla.

I guess the argument would be where you set the talent lines.

I would assume jhsukow’s argument is something like: the new additions create more value for the people in the top three versus who would have been selected in that spot than the three people now available at the bottom create over who would have been there.

That’s a long sentence but I think it makes sense.

I don’t feel strongly one way or the other.

Posted by dh555 on 8/7/2020 12:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bds9992 on 8/7/2020 12:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/7/2020 12:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 8/6/2020 11:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/6/2020 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
There’s some really good players left on the board. As crazy as it sounds, I think unbanning the big 3 helped the bottom of the draft a bit too. There’s potential for a great pairing at the turn.

Ben & I both argued this, and as usual, we were 100% correct.

I disagreed then. I still disagree.

I don’t understand how you could disagree. There are three more players available at 22 than there last season. Three more FIRST ROUND guys. You have better players to choose from than you did last season, and while the top 3 are better as well, there’s a bigger difference at the turn.

but I guess that’s why they make chocolate & vanilla.

I can't believe I'm saying this but ash is absolutely right. Who disagrees with this? The turn is easier too, duh!

wait whats being argued here?

that the bottom of the draft is stronger now(that should be obvious)

or that the bottom of the draft being stronger was a good reason for unbanning the big 3(id argue that)

I think it’s an argument of whether it created more disparity between the top of the draft and the bottom or less.

If that is not the argument, I am equally confused.

Posted by ashamael on 8/7/2020 12:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 8/6/2020 11:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/6/2020 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dBKC on 8/6/2020 11:24:00 PM (view original):
There’s some really good players left on the board. As crazy as it sounds, I think unbanning the big 3 helped the bottom of the draft a bit too. There’s potential for a great pairing at the turn.

Ben & I both argued this, and as usual, we were 100% correct.

I disagreed then. I still disagree.

I don’t understand how you could disagree. There are three more players available at 22 than there last season. Three more FIRST ROUND guys. You have better players to choose from than you did last season, and while the top 3 are better as well, there’s a bigger difference at the turn.

but I guess that’s why they make chocolate & vanilla.

Yes. Of course we have three more options at the turn. That is a fact. My opinion comes from

1. I know you made 4 trades but NO ONE is taking the 22nd pick and it isn’t from lack of effort. We all are guilty of falling in love with these guys when we are 20+ picks away.

2. From my point of view, Wilt/LeBron are “$10 tier” players. I’d rather have one of those guys than the last three picks combined. These guys are “$3 tier”

i think youre sittin pretty right now with magic and some of the top names on the board here...i kinda regret not trading with you now

magic for bird?

Posted by dh555 on 8/7/2020 12:44:00 AM (view original):
magic for bird?

Unfortunately, I’m not good enough to make Bird a winner. All of my wis tricks come from maximizing patience on wings.