Posted by brianp87 on 1/8/2021 3:26:00 PM (view original):
In real life stud players most the time want to win and not play for tankers. If I was not quitting due to the changes with injuries id be on board with a "prestige" thing like hd.

If the top free agents will only sign with teams that have winning records, how do teams with losing records get better? If the only option losing teams have to improve is the draft and IFAs that both have fuzzy logic for ratings, I can see many owners bailing out as soon as they have a losing season. I see this as leading to a few super teams that dominate the world continuously cause they are the only ones the good free agents will sign with.

No.

Who said "only" sign with. Prestige is a real thing and players will sign for less to win in real life. I also do not think there is ever a time a team should have a losing season but that's is a whole new subject.

I’d be happy with prestige being the tiebreaker for a player being offered the same amount from two teams. Whoever has the better pitching / hitting coach to determine where a perennial all star spends the next 5 seasons seems pretty silly to me

I think at times suggestions get put on this thread not for the overall betterment of the game, but with the intention of removing obstacles in the owners way that prevent him from running his blueprint in the most effective way possible.

I see a lot of great suggestions on here, but i also see some that would just make things easier for the owner to win his way. I will give you an example. Somebody posted that advanced scouting should be expanded to where players NOT in your Organization should be just as fuzzy as the scouting ratings for draft and intl prospects. I really liked this idea, but I think I liked it more due to how it would affect trading as opposed to the overall betterment of the game. Some folks really like the trading aspect of the game so this suggestion may not improve the game. It can be argued that it balances the scouting options and makes it more difficult for veteran owners to fleece new owners, but I just don't know if it would improve the game. It would To me, but that is just an opinion. To me, and I know this will probably be a minority opinion, I don't think it is realistic or fun to watch the same owner sift through the previous season's draft or intl every season, find the best players under the age of 22, and trade for those players. I argue that it is somewhat frustrating as an owner that I build it from the ground up and I have to deal with fuzzy ratings, but other owners can just look at the players that they spent no money scouting in intl or the draft and immediately have a good idea what type of mlb player they are going to be. However, as stated above, this may not be an overall betterment of the game.

I think the priority for this thread should be quality of life fixes and fixes to things that are inconsistent. By inconsistent, I don't mean talent pools because in real life, talent pools are inconsistent.

I think consistent injury recovery should be the #1 priority and then quick fixes like below
Adding a "withdraw and return" button to the coaching screens;
Increase the number of players that can be placed on trade block;
Fix the problem with draft boards getting reset when settings are changed;
Increase effectiveness of LHS and RHS. Instead of being used only to get out the best same arm hitter, they could be used in situations where the opponent add four straight lefties going;
Fourth dot on player card;
Adding number of options left to FA filter;
There are probably more, but all of these are reiterated from previous posts anyway.

Posted by hockey1984 on 1/8/2021 6:20:00 PM (view original):
I’d be happy with prestige being the tiebreaker for a player being offered the same amount from two teams. Whoever has the better pitching / hitting coach to determine where a perennial all star spends the next 5 seasons seems pretty silly to me

Good thought

Posted by hockey1984 on 1/8/2021 6:20:00 PM (view original):
I’d be happy with prestige being the tiebreaker for a player being offered the same amount from two teams. Whoever has the better pitching / hitting coach to determine where a perennial all star spends the next 5 seasons seems pretty silly to me

Further to this... recently I was involved in a bidding war for a mega-stud pitcher that was getting a max contract. It came down to myself and one other owner. The pitcher in question had eight major league seasons and had never pitched a single game out of the bullpen. The other team was a pure hitter's park (Madison), mine favored hitting (San Juan). My pitching coach had four points on the other coach (97 v 93) but his bullpen coach had seven on mine (92 v 85). Guess which one of us got the stud STARTING pitcher? Yeah, the other guy, by virtue of having a better BULLPEN coach. Huh? SMH.

I think at times suggestions get put on this thread not for the overall betterment of the game, but with the intention of removing obstacles in the owners way that prevent him from running his blueprint in the most effective way possible.

+1

Posted by gorshar on 1/9/2021 1:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hockey1984 on 1/8/2021 6:20:00 PM (view original):
I’d be happy with prestige being the tiebreaker for a player being offered the same amount from two teams. Whoever has the better pitching / hitting coach to determine where a perennial all star spends the next 5 seasons seems pretty silly to me

Further to this... recently I was involved in a bidding war for a mega-stud pitcher that was getting a max contract. It came down to myself and one other owner. The pitcher in question had eight major league seasons and had never pitched a single game out of the bullpen. The other team was a pure hitter's park (Madison), mine favored hitting (San Juan). My pitching coach had four points on the other coach (97 v 93) but his bullpen coach had seven on mine (92 v 85). Guess which one of us got the stud STARTING pitcher? Yeah, the other guy, by virtue of having a better BULLPEN coach. Huh? SMH.

Not my story, but I've heard of owners in the hunt for a max free agent holding out till the end of coach hiring, hoping to get a pure Pitching Coach to drop down and take an overpaid Bullpen Coach position, just to get the jump on the FA.

A Bullpen Coach should, in an open market, have neither a 92 nor an 85 Pitching skill rating. Once they hit 74 or 75 they start asking for PC positions.

So in a similar vein to the requests to be able to restack pitching after the ASG- Maybe lock in pitchers 4 hrs before the first playoff game so you can see who you're up against?

I mean, you could assume that you're playing your opponent's ace but if they're stacked.....

Meh, it's the playoffs, you should go with your best lineup regardless. Nitpicking but just a thought.

Posted by tlowster on 1/8/2021 6:39:00 PM (view original):
I think at times suggestions get put on this thread not for the overall betterment of the game, but with the intention of removing obstacles in the owners way that prevent him from running his blueprint in the most effective way possible.

I see a lot of great suggestions on here, but i also see some that would just make things easier for the owner to win his way. I will give you an example. Somebody posted that advanced scouting should be expanded to where players NOT in your Organization should be just as fuzzy as the scouting ratings for draft and intl prospects. I really liked this idea, but I think I liked it more due to how it would affect trading as opposed to the overall betterment of the game. Some folks really like the trading aspect of the game so this suggestion may not improve the game. It can be argued that it balances the scouting options and makes it more difficult for veteran owners to fleece new owners, but I just don't know if it would improve the game. It would To me, but that is just an opinion. To me, and I know this will probably be a minority opinion, I don't think it is realistic or fun to watch the same owner sift through the previous season's draft or intl every season, find the best players under the age of 22, and trade for those players. I argue that it is somewhat frustrating as an owner that I build it from the ground up and I have to deal with fuzzy ratings, but other owners can just look at the players that they spent no money scouting in intl or the draft and immediately have a good idea what type of mlb player they are going to be. However, as stated above, this may not be an overall betterment of the game.

I think the priority for this thread should be quality of life fixes and fixes to things that are inconsistent. By inconsistent, I don't mean talent pools because in real life, talent pools are inconsistent.

I think consistent injury recovery should be the #1 priority and then quick fixes like below
Adding a "withdraw and return" button to the coaching screens;
Increase the number of players that can be placed on trade block;
Fix the problem with draft boards getting reset when settings are changed;
Increase effectiveness of LHS and RHS. Instead of being used only to get out the best same arm hitter, they could be used in situations where the opponent add four straight lefties going;
Fourth dot on player card;
Adding number of options left to FA filter;
There are probably more, but all of these are reiterated from previous posts anyway.

This is the first time we have had admins attention in 5 years? 10 years? There are a few things at first that I decided in my head I wasn’t going to bring up because they aren’t small fixes but rather massive overhauls, but I think over time this thread has turned into ‘Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks’

that being said, I’m sure (I hope) that there will be more of a process then just ‘use every suggestion that was mentioned in this thread that we can do’

if not I’m demanding that each league have at least one player named Jose Jose.

I had a player named Jose Jose once. Loved that guy. Minor league filler, but I signed him just... you know why.

Posted by hockey1984 on 1/9/2021 11:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tlowster on 1/8/2021 6:39:00 PM (view original):
I think at times suggestions get put on this thread not for the overall betterment of the game, but with the intention of removing obstacles in the owners way that prevent him from running his blueprint in the most effective way possible.

I see a lot of great suggestions on here, but i also see some that would just make things easier for the owner to win his way. I will give you an example. Somebody posted that advanced scouting should be expanded to where players NOT in your Organization should be just as fuzzy as the scouting ratings for draft and intl prospects. I really liked this idea, but I think I liked it more due to how it would affect trading as opposed to the overall betterment of the game. Some folks really like the trading aspect of the game so this suggestion may not improve the game. It can be argued that it balances the scouting options and makes it more difficult for veteran owners to fleece new owners, but I just don't know if it would improve the game. It would To me, but that is just an opinion. To me, and I know this will probably be a minority opinion, I don't think it is realistic or fun to watch the same owner sift through the previous season's draft or intl every season, find the best players under the age of 22, and trade for those players. I argue that it is somewhat frustrating as an owner that I build it from the ground up and I have to deal with fuzzy ratings, but other owners can just look at the players that they spent no money scouting in intl or the draft and immediately have a good idea what type of mlb player they are going to be. However, as stated above, this may not be an overall betterment of the game.

I think the priority for this thread should be quality of life fixes and fixes to things that are inconsistent. By inconsistent, I don't mean talent pools because in real life, talent pools are inconsistent.

I think consistent injury recovery should be the #1 priority and then quick fixes like below
Adding a "withdraw and return" button to the coaching screens;
Increase the number of players that can be placed on trade block;
Fix the problem with draft boards getting reset when settings are changed;
Increase effectiveness of LHS and RHS. Instead of being used only to get out the best same arm hitter, they could be used in situations where the opponent add four straight lefties going;
Fourth dot on player card;
Adding number of options left to FA filter;
There are probably more, but all of these are reiterated from previous posts anyway.

This is the first time we have had admins attention in 5 years? 10 years? There are a few things at first that I decided in my head I wasn’t going to bring up because they aren’t small fixes but rather massive overhauls, but I think over time this thread has turned into ‘Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks’

that being said, I’m sure (I hope) that there will be more of a process then just ‘use every suggestion that was mentioned in this thread that we can do’

if not I’m demanding that each league have at least one player named Jose Jose.

I had a zoom call with adlorenz the other day, and while I can't say for sure WHAT he and Chris are going to do next I can say for sure that they certainly do have a distinct process and also seem to have a distinct to-do list...I think this is a good place for "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" so they have fewer places to hunt for ideas, but I wouldn't expect mountains to be moved in the short term.

I mean, that is totally reasonable. Even more so then this thread, I would love to see more ‘ask the developer’ chats, open forum symposiums (even if it was just an elected group of HBD members to talk to admin) and most importantly more test leagues. I feel like I haven’t seen one of those in years but feel like they are much needed.

Posted by damag on 1/9/2021 9:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gorshar on 1/9/2021 1:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hockey1984 on 1/8/2021 6:20:00 PM (view original):
I’d be happy with prestige being the tiebreaker for a player being offered the same amount from two teams. Whoever has the better pitching / hitting coach to determine where a perennial all star spends the next 5 seasons seems pretty silly to me

Further to this... recently I was involved in a bidding war for a mega-stud pitcher that was getting a max contract. It came down to myself and one other owner. The pitcher in question had eight major league seasons and had never pitched a single game out of the bullpen. The other team was a pure hitter's park (Madison), mine favored hitting (San Juan). My pitching coach had four points on the other coach (97 v 93) but his bullpen coach had seven on mine (92 v 85). Guess which one of us got the stud STARTING pitcher? Yeah, the other guy, by virtue of having a better BULLPEN coach. Huh? SMH.

Not my story, but I've heard of owners in the hunt for a max free agent holding out till the end of coach hiring, hoping to get a pure Pitching Coach to drop down and take an overpaid Bullpen Coach position, just to get the jump on the FA.

A Bullpen Coach should, in an open market, have neither a 92 nor an 85 Pitching skill rating. Once they hit 74 or 75 they start asking for PC positions.

They do. But at the ML level a wannabe pitching coach will accept a bullpen coaching job if no better offers are on the table . For the most part at the ML level coaches will take any position if the money is there.

Another suggestion re: free agency. During the FA signing period you can get a FA to take an offer of any length regardless of what they want if it’s the best offer they get. But once we get past the signing period , they won’t budge. Kind of frustrating when you need to fill one more hole in your pitching staff and there’s a 36-year old in decline who probably still has enough gas left in the tank to get through one season but stubbornly sticks to his two year request. So either he doesn’t get signed or you have to put an option on the second year and pay 25% of his salary to get rid of him. It seems if they’ll take a shorter term contract during the signing period they ought to do the same once the season starts.