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Stop complaining he doesn’t have to do this savoy. He also clearly mentions things like berks total mins that show he isn’t just looking at the draft…
1/2/2023 10:52 AM
I agree. I think the draft evals are fun and a perk and shouldn’t be criticized as at the end, the season is simmed for a reason. It’s not a fact, just a quick evaluation before the season from a veteran player. I fully expect my team to get ripped a new one (for good reason as it has many holes) but I’m still looking forward to my eval
1/2/2023 11:44 AM
Posted by PBandJ on 1/2/2023 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 1/2/2023 10:47:00 AM (view original):
Posted by PirateSteve on 1/2/2023 1:42:00 AM (view original):
samuelyork93 – Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Julius Erving, Al Horford, Jaylen Brown, Mo Bamba, Joel Przybilla

What I Like: Great offensive rebounding. I think it is becoming a more important stat as we go. Some solid mid round picks with Jaylen and Horford. I have had great results from them in the past. Solid post defense. Mo Bamba is an interesting player, I just wish his defense was better. Good foul shooting except Wilt.
Concerns: I think you are going to have some fatigue issues at guard. Im assuming you are playing Dr. J at SG, Magic at point and Jaylen to back up both? I just do not think it is enough. Your 3pt shooting is low, as really only 3 guys are going to give you a decent amount. I also feel like you picked 1 too many Centers especially with Wilt on the squad. Instead of Przybilla I would have went with another guard or SF that can play guard. You still might have been able to get Przybilla after the draft.
Conclusion: I feel like this team can make the playoffs. Wilt teams are always good and you EFG% might get you there. Just have to watch out for fatigue and Magic and Wilt TO's.

berkelon – Lebron James, Scottie Pippen, Artis Gilmore, Jarrett Allen, Jarred Vanderbilt, Marvin Williams, Amare Stoudemire

What I Like: Great wing defense with Lebron and Pippen. Should be a fun combo. I like your usage to efg% distribution where Lebron and Amare should see most of the action. Artis and Pippen wont hurt it either if the take the shots. Marvin seems to be underrated in these drafts as I usually see him on championship teams. I Like your potential starting lineup with Bron at point. I see this team winning a lot of games early in the season.
Concerns: You are scraping by with 19200 min. It can be done but it is hard managing that fatigue. You have a low amount of threes and assists. Assists are becoming less important but it might hurt you when you have to rest Lebron. Artis will be fouling a lot, and his backups of Allen and Amare are not going to provide great defense when he is on the bench.
Conclusion: This team can make the playoffs but you might be limping in due to fatigue issues. I love the EFG%, low TO's and overall defense is solid.

longtallbrad – Stephen Curry, Draymond Green, Dikembe Mutombo, Patrick Ewing, Gerald Wallace, Jeremy Lin, DeMarcus Cousins

What I Like: Your defense should be great. I am doing this without seeing your final team so I have no idea what seasons you have. You have great inside/outside options with Curry and Ewing as Im assuming they will be the focus of your offense. Green is great at doing just about everything and can really boost your assist numbers while playing good defense. Mutombo and Ewing are a fearsome front court.
Concerns: Im not a big fan of your last 3 picks. Wallace is a great defender and rebounder, but lacks in scoring which I think this team needs more of. Lin I know has that one really good EFG and high defense season but he plays almost no minutes in that season so im not sure how useful he will be. Im kinda confused by Boogie Cousins. He puts up a lot of points and rebounds, but if you are using a season where he plays a lot of minutes his usage is like 28 plus with like a 42 EFG, which is gross, but you may be using a more support role season with better shooting.
Conclusion: Im gonna go with my gut and say this team misses the playoffs. You have great defense and solid rebounding, but I think you need a better supporting cast for Curry. Your team will live and die on him.

beachhouse – Nikola Jokic, Deron Williams, Shawn Kemp, Charlie Ward, Elton Brand, Jose Calderon, Charlie Edge

What I Like: The Elton Brand pick was great. I passed on him a few times, but thought he should have been already taken. He and Kemp should make up for Jokic's lack of D. Also having one of them coming off the bench will help you second unit immensely. You have a strong amount of assists which will help your EFG%
Concerns: This team is kinda shallow. You are going to rely a lot on Jokic, Brand, Kemp, and Williams having good games all the time to compete as your bench does not really impress. You need more rebounding and drafting 7 PG's does not help. Really low threes.
Conclusion: Im going to say this team misses the playoffs. Jokic is going to have the sim season of a lifetime for this team to succeed.

jhsukow – Giannis Antetokounmpo, Klay Thompson, Joel Embiid, Zion Williamson, Danny Green, Michael Cooper, Rajon Rondo

What I Like: There is a great balance of talent on this team. This team will probably be one of the leaders in scoring with a great defense to go with it. TO's will happen but will not kill this team. I love the Green and Klay combo. You have great 3 point shooting. Michael Cooper does not get drafted a lot, but I think it should be more. He plays great defense and has good assists numbers.
Concerns: You might have a usage problem and deal with some penalties with Zion, Giannis, and Joel all over 29% and the latter over 35%. You lack a little in offensive rebounds. Willis Reed might end up taking too many shots but I see why you drafted him. He and cooper will play a lot of minutes and thier shooting is not elite.
Conclusion: I think this team will make the playoffs. If you balance the usage right this team could easily win over 50 games.

PBandJ – Shaquille O’Neal, Kawhi Leonard, Brent Barry, Andrei Kirilenko, Mark Price, Bradley Beal, Swen Nater

What I Like: This is a pretty well rounded team. There isn't any glaring negatives. Shaq and Kawhi is a great combo. Great 3 point shooting total and percentage wise. Good front court defense and low enough turnovers.
Concerns: Blake Griffin being added. I think he is going to hurt this team more than he helps it. I know he only plays 1100 min, but 29% usage for 50% EFG is not good enough for this league. Plus his 39 defense is putrid. You might have a usage problem with everyone except 2 players being over 19%. There will most likely be penalties, plus you want to make sure Shaq gets the ball as much as possible and it will be hard to do that with your current build.
Conclusion: I feel like this is a fringe team that will battle for the last playoff spot in their division. They will be great at times, but will also lose games they probably should have won.

More to come........
WHY are you only comments on the 6 draftees? You can see the rest of the team on the league page. Just click on the dot after the team's name in the standings, and then when the new page pops up you can click on the team name and see the roster. Here's mine anyway:

Advanced Stats
Name Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
69-70 Spencer Haywood PF 25.0 49.8 0.0 49.3 11.1 26.4 5.4 1.1 1.5
12-13 Kevin Durant SF 30.0 53.7 41.4 55.9 1.7 18.9 15.2 1.7 1.9
09-10 Jason Kidd PG 14.6 41.7 42.4 55.4 1.8 14.8 31.8 2.3 0.7
95-96 Gheorghe Muresan C 21.2 58.2 0.0 58.4 12.8 23.6 2.9 1.0 4.6
20-21 Richaun Holmes SF 17.5 63.4 18.0 63.8 8.4 21.2 6.4 0.9 2.9
10-11 Andrew Bynum C 17.7 57.1 0.0 57.4 12.4 23.0 6.2 0.6 4.1
89-90 Brad Davis PG 16.8 54.9 34.0 53.8 1.0 6.7 22.7 1.6 0.4
01-02 Jalen Rose SG 28.6 49.3 36.9 50.2 1.2 10.3 18.3 1.3 0.8
20-21 Daniel Gafford PF 17.2 67.3 0.0 68.4 12.3 18.1 4.2 1.5 5.3
17-18 Jordan Bell PF 13.9 63.3 0.0 62.7 8.4 17.6 14.2 1.8 3.7
17-18 Willie Reed C 17.0 66.5 49.7 67.4 8.3 21.0 2.9 0.9 2.9
96-97 Brent Price PG 17.1 51.8 31.9 50.0 3.0 5.1 21.8 2.0 1.0
Because this takes time. It probably took over an hour or two to complete what he already did.
typically in these kind of drafts the evals are limited to the drafted players. not to mention doing the evals are a curtesy.
1/2/2023 11:47 AM
Posted by savoybg on 1/2/2023 10:47:00 AM (view original):
Posted by PirateSteve on 1/2/2023 1:42:00 AM (view original):
samuelyork93 – Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Julius Erving, Al Horford, Jaylen Brown, Mo Bamba, Joel Przybilla

What I Like: Great offensive rebounding. I think it is becoming a more important stat as we go. Some solid mid round picks with Jaylen and Horford. I have had great results from them in the past. Solid post defense. Mo Bamba is an interesting player, I just wish his defense was better. Good foul shooting except Wilt.
Concerns: I think you are going to have some fatigue issues at guard. Im assuming you are playing Dr. J at SG, Magic at point and Jaylen to back up both? I just do not think it is enough. Your 3pt shooting is low, as really only 3 guys are going to give you a decent amount. I also feel like you picked 1 too many Centers especially with Wilt on the squad. Instead of Przybilla I would have went with another guard or SF that can play guard. You still might have been able to get Przybilla after the draft.
Conclusion: I feel like this team can make the playoffs. Wilt teams are always good and you EFG% might get you there. Just have to watch out for fatigue and Magic and Wilt TO's.

berkelon – Lebron James, Scottie Pippen, Artis Gilmore, Jarrett Allen, Jarred Vanderbilt, Marvin Williams, Amare Stoudemire

What I Like: Great wing defense with Lebron and Pippen. Should be a fun combo. I like your usage to efg% distribution where Lebron and Amare should see most of the action. Artis and Pippen wont hurt it either if the take the shots. Marvin seems to be underrated in these drafts as I usually see him on championship teams. I Like your potential starting lineup with Bron at point. I see this team winning a lot of games early in the season.
Concerns: You are scraping by with 19200 min. It can be done but it is hard managing that fatigue. You have a low amount of threes and assists. Assists are becoming less important but it might hurt you when you have to rest Lebron. Artis will be fouling a lot, and his backups of Allen and Amare are not going to provide great defense when he is on the bench.
Conclusion: This team can make the playoffs but you might be limping in due to fatigue issues. I love the EFG%, low TO's and overall defense is solid.

longtallbrad – Stephen Curry, Draymond Green, Dikembe Mutombo, Patrick Ewing, Gerald Wallace, Jeremy Lin, DeMarcus Cousins

What I Like: Your defense should be great. I am doing this without seeing your final team so I have no idea what seasons you have. You have great inside/outside options with Curry and Ewing as Im assuming they will be the focus of your offense. Green is great at doing just about everything and can really boost your assist numbers while playing good defense. Mutombo and Ewing are a fearsome front court.
Concerns: Im not a big fan of your last 3 picks. Wallace is a great defender and rebounder, but lacks in scoring which I think this team needs more of. Lin I know has that one really good EFG and high defense season but he plays almost no minutes in that season so im not sure how useful he will be. Im kinda confused by Boogie Cousins. He puts up a lot of points and rebounds, but if you are using a season where he plays a lot of minutes his usage is like 28 plus with like a 42 EFG, which is gross, but you may be using a more support role season with better shooting.
Conclusion: Im gonna go with my gut and say this team misses the playoffs. You have great defense and solid rebounding, but I think you need a better supporting cast for Curry. Your team will live and die on him.

beachhouse – Nikola Jokic, Deron Williams, Shawn Kemp, Charlie Ward, Elton Brand, Jose Calderon, Charlie Edge

What I Like: The Elton Brand pick was great. I passed on him a few times, but thought he should have been already taken. He and Kemp should make up for Jokic's lack of D. Also having one of them coming off the bench will help you second unit immensely. You have a strong amount of assists which will help your EFG%
Concerns: This team is kinda shallow. You are going to rely a lot on Jokic, Brand, Kemp, and Williams having good games all the time to compete as your bench does not really impress. You need more rebounding and drafting 7 PG's does not help. Really low threes.
Conclusion: Im going to say this team misses the playoffs. Jokic is going to have the sim season of a lifetime for this team to succeed.

jhsukow – Giannis Antetokounmpo, Klay Thompson, Joel Embiid, Zion Williamson, Danny Green, Michael Cooper, Rajon Rondo

What I Like: There is a great balance of talent on this team. This team will probably be one of the leaders in scoring with a great defense to go with it. TO's will happen but will not kill this team. I love the Green and Klay combo. You have great 3 point shooting. Michael Cooper does not get drafted a lot, but I think it should be more. He plays great defense and has good assists numbers.
Concerns: You might have a usage problem and deal with some penalties with Zion, Giannis, and Joel all over 29% and the latter over 35%. You lack a little in offensive rebounds. Willis Reed might end up taking too many shots but I see why you drafted him. He and cooper will play a lot of minutes and thier shooting is not elite.
Conclusion: I think this team will make the playoffs. If you balance the usage right this team could easily win over 50 games.

PBandJ – Shaquille O’Neal, Kawhi Leonard, Brent Barry, Andrei Kirilenko, Mark Price, Bradley Beal, Swen Nater

What I Like: This is a pretty well rounded team. There isn't any glaring negatives. Shaq and Kawhi is a great combo. Great 3 point shooting total and percentage wise. Good front court defense and low enough turnovers.
Concerns: Blake Griffin being added. I think he is going to hurt this team more than he helps it. I know he only plays 1100 min, but 29% usage for 50% EFG is not good enough for this league. Plus his 39 defense is putrid. You might have a usage problem with everyone except 2 players being over 19%. There will most likely be penalties, plus you want to make sure Shaq gets the ball as much as possible and it will be hard to do that with your current build.
Conclusion: I feel like this is a fringe team that will battle for the last playoff spot in their division. They will be great at times, but will also lose games they probably should have won.

More to come........
WHY are you only comments on the 6 draftees? You can see the rest of the team on the league page. Just click on the dot after the team's name in the standings, and then when the new page pops up you can click on the team name and see the roster. Here's mine anyway:

Advanced Stats
Name Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
69-70 Spencer Haywood PF 25.0 49.8 0.0 49.3 11.1 26.4 5.4 1.1 1.5
12-13 Kevin Durant SF 30.0 53.7 41.4 55.9 1.7 18.9 15.2 1.7 1.9
09-10 Jason Kidd PG 14.6 41.7 42.4 55.4 1.8 14.8 31.8 2.3 0.7
95-96 Gheorghe Muresan C 21.2 58.2 0.0 58.4 12.8 23.6 2.9 1.0 4.6
20-21 Richaun Holmes SF 17.5 63.4 18.0 63.8 8.4 21.2 6.4 0.9 2.9
10-11 Andrew Bynum C 17.7 57.1 0.0 57.4 12.4 23.0 6.2 0.6 4.1
89-90 Brad Davis PG 16.8 54.9 34.0 53.8 1.0 6.7 22.7 1.6 0.4
01-02 Jalen Rose SG 28.6 49.3 36.9 50.2 1.2 10.3 18.3 1.3 0.8
20-21 Daniel Gafford PF 17.2 67.3 0.0 68.4 12.3 18.1 4.2 1.5 5.3
17-18 Jordan Bell PF 13.9 63.3 0.0 62.7 8.4 17.6 14.2 1.8 3.7
17-18 Willie Reed C 17.0 66.5 49.7 67.4 8.3 21.0 2.9 0.9 2.9
96-97 Brent Price PG 17.1 51.8 31.9 50.0 3.0 5.1 21.8 2.0 1.0
Maybe sometimes consider not saying what you're thinking?
1/2/2023 12:12 PM
thanks for the evals PirateSteve!
always a fun read!!
1/2/2023 12:38 PM
Love the evals - keep 'em coming!

Cousins' only job is to back up Ewing, which means I'm using one of his only truly useful seasons with a smidge less than 800 minutes. I wish Lin had more minutes in his best season, but he's the first backup to Curry at PG. I ended up with tons of boards, tons of threes, and tons of PFs. I honestly don't know what to expect from this bunch. I've never used Curry before in this league, though one of my title teams relied on Ewing for inside scoring and D. Crash Wallace is a utility dude at SG, which helps compensate for Ewing's relatively poor rebounding.
1/2/2023 12:44 PM
Anyone who thinks Bill Russell is vastly
overrated historically is a clown!
The Russ v. Wilt matchups made the NBA
a legit league in the Sixties and made
it a must watch for the American sports
fan.
I watched a couple Celtic v. 76ers games with
my Uncle on his brand new Zenith 16" color TV.
Very cool. Even on the small screen both of
them were larger than life.
1/2/2023 12:55 PM (edited)
Posted by seapilots on 1/2/2023 12:55:00 PM (view original):
Anyone who thinks Bill Russell is vastly
overrated historically is a clown!
The Russ v. Wilt matchups made the NBA
a legit league in the Sixties and made
it a must watch for the American sports
fan.
I watched a couple Celtic v. 76ers games with
my Uncle on his brand new Zenith 16" color TV.
Very cool. Even on the small screen both of
them were larger than life.
i will echo those sentiments. the russell chamberlain rivalry was one for the ages, it helped to elevate the league in the minds of the viewing public. as a teenager back then wilt was larger than life and russell had his hands full. typically at the end of the day russells squad would do enough to overcome wilts heroics.
1/2/2023 1:14 PM
Looking forward to my eval! I love hearing what someone else sees.
1/2/2023 1:58 PM
What's wrong with saying what you're thinking in that case?
1/2/2023 2:02 PM
Posted by savoybg on 1/2/2023 2:02:00 PM (view original):
What's wrong with saying what you're thinking in that case?
I didn't post that..or if your just asking me..I want them to be as critical as possible! Hopefully that makes me a better owner in future builds!
1/2/2023 2:07 PM
Posted by seapilots on 1/2/2023 12:55:00 PM (view original):
Anyone who thinks Bill Russell is vastly
overrated historically is a clown!
The Russ v. Wilt matchups made the NBA
a legit league in the Sixties and made
it a must watch for the American sports
fan.
I watched a couple Celtic v. 76ers games with
my Uncle on his brand new Zenith 16" color TV.
Very cool. Even on the small screen both of
them were larger than life.
Head clown here. Russell should not even be in the discussion as a top 10 player, but lots of people place him above Chamberlain only because of the Celtics championships. Ceck the numbers, Wilt SEVERELY outplayed Russell in almost everey playoiff matchup they had. Problem was that the rest of te Celtics usually severely outplayed Wilt's teammates each time.

One series Wilt outscored Russell by 90 points, and shot over 50% while Russell shot 40%. Wilt out rebounded Russell too, like 28 a game to 26 a game. Problem was that the rest of the Celtics outscored the rest of the Warriors by 110 points.

Sam Jones was the best SG of all time when he retired. Him and Hal Greer, until Gervin came around. Cousy, Havlicek, Heinsohn, Howell, Sharman, etc were all hall of famers. Wilt was FAR better than Russell, but just did not have the help until he got to the 76ers. Once Wilt left the Warriors, he had a winning record head to head against Russell.

1/2/2023 2:10 PM (edited)
I'm not going to argue with you about it, but if you get the chance read the chapter Bill Simmons wrote about their rivalry in his basketball book.
1/2/2023 2:17 PM
Posted by ronsouth1 on 1/2/2023 1:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by seapilots on 1/2/2023 12:55:00 PM (view original):
Anyone who thinks Bill Russell is vastly
overrated historically is a clown!
The Russ v. Wilt matchups made the NBA
a legit league in the Sixties and made
it a must watch for the American sports
fan.
I watched a couple Celtic v. 76ers games with
my Uncle on his brand new Zenith 16" color TV.
Very cool. Even on the small screen both of
them were larger than life.
i will echo those sentiments. the russell chamberlain rivalry was one for the ages, it helped to elevate the league in the minds of the viewing public. as a teenager back then wilt was larger than life and russell had his hands full. typically at the end of the day russells squad would do enough to overcome wilts heroics.
Those were classic Celtic-76er playoff games through much of the 60s. As Ron says, usually a Celtic team effort to offset Wilt. Celtics wore those signature black low tops. For a time, Russell also had to contend with Luscious Jackson in addition to Wilt. Just caught a little of one of those games.Wilt towels off his arms and legs waiting for a Bailey Howell FT. He then hands the towel to Larry Siegfried who wipes his face with it. Never see that today.
1/2/2023 2:25 PM
Posted by Midge on 1/2/2023 2:17:00 PM (view original):
I'm not going to argue with you about it, but if you get the chance read the chapter Bill Simmons wrote about their rivalry in his basketball book.
I don't need Bill Simmons romanticizing it, the numbers tell the story just fine.
1/2/2023 2:48 PM
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