Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:53:00 PM (view original):
having Red Grange, Jim Thorpe, Bronco Nagurski, etc so far up the list is a joke - as much as i love the romanticism of the early years of football - it was a total buttfuck - same with Don Hutson - just because GB was one of the first to buy into the forward pass doesnt make him one of the greatest - just about everyone else from his era suffered injuries that severely hampered their careers, so he stayed healthy, that doesnt mean he was great

petarded

It gave a lot to old players who people ranked highly based on reputation but never saw, and recent guys. There was a lot in between that went unrecognized.

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Terrell Davis anyone? how does Earl Campbell make the list but not TD?

How does Jonathan Ogden make the list but not Orlando Pace?

I agree about Gates more than Davis, but I get your point. Did Roger Craig even make the list? I honestly think he might have been more valuable on some of those 49ers teams than Jerry Rice was.

yeah, there should have been more positional balance on the list as well - maybe a top 5 teams of all time - the OLine's got hosed, as did the safeties

Marcus Allen is way underrated as well - no way Steve Van Buren was better than Marcus Allen - none

Posted by antonsirius on 11/1/2010 10:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 11/1/2010 10:16:00 PM (view original):
Struggling in the TD department though.  In our league scoring I think he is 7th.

And how many TDs did he have last season?

Basically you're saying you drafted him because you recognized his name, and had no clue what he actually does on a football field.

This is stupid.

His receptions and yardage are down this year in comparison.  He will not replicate the numbers from the last three years unless Kitna continues to check down to him.  He was top 5 the last three years one a per game average and has not been this year in the same scoring system.

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 10:30:00 PM (view original):

A problem I have with the list is that it's the 100 greatest players, not the 100 greatest careers. So career achievements like Favre or Emmitt Smith have shouldn't really carry the same weight as guys whose flame burned brighter but for a shorter amount of time.

OJ Simpson should have been higher, honestly.

Yep

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:56:00 PM (view original):
i personally would pick Manning over any other QB for 1 single game (all other things in the game being equal) - probably Montana second - Brady would not be in my top 10

I agree on both accounts.

here are the RB's in order

1 Jim Brown
2 Walter Payton
3 Barry Sanders
4 Bronco Nagurski
5 Gale Sayers
6 Emmitt Smith
7 Jim Thorpe
8 OJ Simpson
9 Red Grange
10 Eric Dickerson
11 Earl Campbell
12 Steve Van Buren
13 LaDainian Tomlinson
14 Marshall Faulk
15 Marion Motley
16 Tony Dorsett
17 Marcus Allen
18 Ernie Nevers
19 Lenny Moore

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 10:45:00 PM (view original):
Peyton Manning is probably justifiable in the top ten. The way he mindfucks defenses and just controls the game is unreal.

He would be probably somewhere in my 2-4 range...  I may be biased by I think Montana could do more and do it better.

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Terrell Davis anyone? how does Earl Campbell make the list but not TD?

How does Jonathan Ogden make the list but not Orlando Pace?

I agree about Gates more than Davis, but I get your point. Did Roger Craig even make the list? I honestly think he might have been more valuable on some of those 49ers teams than Jerry Rice was.

yeah, there should have been more positional balance on the list as well - maybe a top 5 teams of all time - the OLine's got hosed, as did the safeties

Marcus Allen is way underrated as well - no way Steve Van Buren was better than Marcus Allen - none

defensive backs in general got screwed. Deion being so low is surprising, even if he doesn't tackle.

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 10:53:00 PM (view original):
I used to dislike him personally because he was good. Now I just find myself respecting him more and more each game. I think my sentiment was borne of preferring underdogs and not really seeing him play as much. But being an adult and having a work schedule conducive to watching football probably has been the difference.

The Brady/Manning debate shouldn't exist. They never actually played on the field at the same time. Brady faced a standard cover two defense, one which had mostly been subpar. Manning faced Belichick and probably a better defense, one which created more of a challenge to a quarterback. Manning does all the playcalling for the Colts, and Brady has had someone else in his headset calling the plays. If you switched their places, the Colts wouldn't have had so many successful seasons, and might not even have the one championship they currenlty have had. But Manning on the Patriots would have probably won just as many as Brady had, if not more.

Yeah...  I don't find them comparable.  Brady is top 10.  Manning is top 5.

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Terrell Davis anyone? how does Earl Campbell make the list but not TD?

How does Jonathan Ogden make the list but not Orlando Pace?

I agree about Gates more than Davis, but I get your point. Did Roger Craig even make the list? I honestly think he might have been more valuable on some of those 49ers teams than Jerry Rice was.

Craig was uber important but lots of guys had his skill set.

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:53:00 PM (view original):
having Red Grange, Jim Thorpe, Bronco Nagurski, etc so far up the list is a joke - as much as i love the romanticism of the early years of football - it was a total buttfuck - same with Don Hutson - just because GB was one of the first to buy into the forward pass doesnt make him one of the greatest - just about everyone else from his era suffered injuries that severely hampered their careers, so he stayed healthy, that doesnt mean he was great

petarded

Factual

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Terrell Davis anyone? how does Earl Campbell make the list but not TD?

How does Jonathan Ogden make the list but not Orlando Pace?

I agree about Gates more than Davis, but I get your point. Did Roger Craig even make the list? I honestly think he might have been more valuable on some of those 49ers teams than Jerry Rice was.

yeah, there should have been more positional balance on the list as well - maybe a top 5 teams of all time - the OLine's got hosed, as did the safeties

Marcus Allen is way underrated as well - no way Steve Van Buren was better than Marcus Allen - none

I am one of those guys who think OT and DT are generally the most impactful guys on the field...  so I generally think they get disrespected.

for 1 game, in their prime, i would take Manning, Montana, Unitas, Favre, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Steve Young, Starr, and maybe even Kurt Warner - over Brady
dont know enough of how Baugh, Graham, Luckman, Van Brocklin, etc all played

Brady was in the perfect system for too long - hell Troy Aikman was probably better, maybe even Ken Anderson (the least appreciated very good QB)

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 11:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by r0b0t on 11/1/2010 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Terrell Davis anyone? how does Earl Campbell make the list but not TD?

How does Jonathan Ogden make the list but not Orlando Pace?

I agree about Gates more than Davis, but I get your point. Did Roger Craig even make the list? I honestly think he might have been more valuable on some of those 49ers teams than Jerry Rice was.

yeah, there should have been more positional balance on the list as well - maybe a top 5 teams of all time - the OLine's got hosed, as did the safeties

Marcus Allen is way underrated as well - no way Steve Van Buren was better than Marcus Allen - none

defensive backs in general got screwed. Deion being so low is surprising, even if he doesn't tackle.

Yeah.  I buy that.

I guess it is hard to make a list.  I would have to put like a month's consideration into it.

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 11:05:00 PM (view original):
for 1 game, in their prime, i would take Manning, Montana, Unitas, Favre, Elway, Marino, Staubach, Steve Young, Starr, and maybe even Kurt Warner - over Brady
dont know enough of how Baugh, Graham, Luckman, Van Brocklin, etc all played

Brady was in the perfect system for too long - hell Troy Aikman was probably better, maybe even Ken Anderson (the least appreciated very good QB)

Montana, Manning, Unitas, Elway, Young, Marino, Staubach, Favre, Brady, Aikman