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Quote: Originally posted by hurley711 on 8/25/2008Man it must have so hard to find the time during those last 4-6 weeks to make MJ 100% at PG for 1 season...............
Position effectiveness was not part of this release and we're currently pretty happy with it and don't have any immediate plans to make changes.
8/25/2008 9:18 AM
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But in Hurley's defense, you've shown that's an easy fix by doing things like making Oscar 100% at PG for all seasons and I even made mention about Les Jepsen being a C and he was listed as an SG about 4 years ago, and that was changed rather quickly as well
8/25/2008 11:03 AM
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We will change a guy's listed position (which makes him 100% at that position) if it's incorrect, but Jordan was not a PG.
8/25/2008 11:25 AM
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But you did change Oscar to a PG in all seasons and some seasons he was listed as an SG...on the fly mind you. Did you get my ticket by the way, I sent it about 12 hours ago asking for a cap adjustment?
8/25/2008 11:27 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By seble on 8/25/2008We will change a guy's listed position (which makes him 100% at that position) if it's incorrect, but Jordan was not a PG
If you want to get into that, Ron Harper was starting at PG for the Bulls since MJ was the SG. But he's not at 100% at PG. If you don't know or can't remember you can find proof of that at youtube, just search 1996 Bulls players intro.
8/25/2008 12:06 PM
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Ron Harper we'd possibly change. It just depends on the team and the season. In 88-89 the Bulls had Sam Vincent start 56 games and John Paxson start 20. So I don't see the evidence that Jordan was primarily a PG that season. Just because he's not 100% there doesn't mean we're saying that he never played there, just that his numbers indicate he's not historically similar to listed point guards.
8/25/2008 1:40 PM
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who distributed more assists Jordan or Paxson? who handled the ball more? who initiated the offense? PG is a role not just a position posting - Paxson was a spot up shooter not an initiator and distributor, vincent was more of a true PG but he was a bench player - Mike logged more dimes than both players combined (and his per 48 was higher than either too - higher than anyone on the team)

hell you even have Craig Hodges listed at 100% PG that season

so Paxson and Hodges - guys who watched Mike initiate while spotting up and waiting for the shot, guys who generated 30-40% less assists per minute than Mike - they were the PGs?

meanwhile according to the sim Mike gets penalized for doing what the stats say he obviously did

is there anyone who knows anything about basketball on staff there? if not you should really consider hiring someone

8/25/2008 1:58 PM
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Obviously the triangle is a little tricky as the PG doesn't rack up many assists. Are you saying Kobe should be the LA PG because he initiates a lot and leads in assists? Fisher was right around Gasol, Odom and even Turiaf in assists per minute last year. Does that mean he wasn't the primary PG?

I disagree that PG is a role. That's implying that being a PG means you play a certain way or did certain things just because you're listed there. Initiator is a role. And in the triangle that can be guys at any of four positions really. Pippen was often the initiator for the Bulls, but I wouldn't call him a PG. He didn't generally defend other PGs.
8/25/2008 2:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By seble on 8/25/2008




Obviously the triangle is a little tricky as the PG doesn't rack up many assists. Are you saying Kobe should be the LA PG because he initiates a lot and leads in assists? Fisher was right around Gasol, Odom and even Turiaf in assists per minute last year. Does that mean he wasn't the primary PG?

I disagree that PG is a role. That's implying that being a PG means you play a certain way or did certain things just because you're listed there. Initiator is a role. And in the triangle that can be guys at any of four positions really. Pippen was often the initiator for the Bulls, but I wouldn't call him a PG. He didn't generally defend other PGs.


You do realize that Doug Collins was the coach in 88-89 - not PJ with his Tex Winter offense - they werent running the triangle

like I said - someone who knows something about the game would be handy on-site, you should check into it
8/25/2008 2:20 PM
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Ok, you got me...I know nothing about basketball. My point still stands though. You're equating assists to PG, which isn't always the case.
8/25/2008 2:21 PM
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I could just as easily equate scoring to SG and say Jordan is more of a SG.
8/25/2008 2:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By seble on 8/25/2008Ok, you got me...I know nothing about basketball. My point still stands though. You're equating assists to PG, which isn't always the case
in the kind of offense Collins was running (unlike the triangle) the role of PG does equate to initiating the offense and creating opportunities for other players
8/25/2008 2:24 PM
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Jordan is one of those rare exceptions like Magic Johnson...I don't see anyone coming into this thread saying hey don't put MJ at 100% at PG
8/25/2008 2:27 PM
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So you'd slot Sam Vincent as a SG?
8/25/2008 2:29 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60XIzix3PlE

no, craig hodges - click above and you'll see started listed opposite to Byron Scott a shooting guard

(and fyi Vincent only played 1700 minutes, quit grasping at straws)
8/25/2008 2:34 PM
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