Quote: Originally posted by reinsel on 1/30/2010I agree with you mrpolo.  That A- was pretty generous 7 years ago.  I think they made the final four with a fugly Dick Bennett team and got pounded by Mateen Cleaves and MSU in 2000, so that somehow helped them.

Maybe only the last 4 years was used to come up with Basline Prestige?

"Duke was not built overnight... or in 5-10 years.... 30 years ago they were nobodies.... now however..."

Nobodies? They played in the title game 32 years ago. I'd hardly call that "nobodies."

Quote: Originally posted by abitaamber on 1/30/2010"Duke was not built overnight... or in 5-10 years.... 30 years ago they were nobodies.... now however..."

Nobodies? They played in the title game 32 years ago. I'd hardly call that "nobodies."

George Mason played in the FF. and it was against a much deeper field, therefore more impressive that Dukes title appearance in 78. But in the grand scheme of things, George Mason is still a nobody.

Duke made the NT once in the 50's, four times in the 60's, and twice in the 70's. Nothing stellar about that. Even with the two title appearances in three decades...

From 1984 to now, they've only missed once. I think its fair to say that 30 years ago they "were" nobodies.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 1/30/2010

Quote: Originally posted by abitaamber on 1/30/2010
"Duke was not built overnight... or in 5-10 years.... 30 years ago they were nobodies.... now however..."

Nobodies? They played in the title game 32 years ago. I'd hardly call that "nobodies."

George Mason played in the FF. and it was against a much deeper field, therefore more impressive that Dukes title appearance in 78. But in the grand scheme of things, George Mason is still a nobody.

Duke made the NT once in the 50's, four times in the 60's, and twice in the 70's. Nothing stellar about that. Even with the two title appearances in three decades...

From 1984 to now, they've only missed once. I think its fair to say that 30 years ago they "were" nobodies.

Like polo said. 32 years ago or 1978 - that was thefirstyear they made the NT andmaintained that level of play. before then they were inconsistant - maybe not nobody's but definitely not considered the calibur of team they are today. do you disagree?

would you consider Gonzaga a baseline A prestige team in RL going into this season? Think about that. I don't....

yet - here is what they have done since the 90's....



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/tournament/history?team1Id=6058



11 straight NT appearances...

It takes much longer than 5-10 years to build an A prestige baseline imo.

I'm not a Dukie fan but they have been a player for 50 years.

"Only" 4 bids in the 60"s? Remember this was when the ACC only had one bid per season. There were 4 times (1961-62-65-68) that Duke finished in the top 10 during the 60's and didn't make the NCAA tourney.

There were seasons when the old ACC had 3 of the top 10 teams and another team got the bid by winning the conference tourney.

check out this link which rates teams by the decade.
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf

Duke was the 3rd most successful program in the 60's behind UCLA and Cincinnati. They slipped to 14th in the 70's. 11th in the 80's, 2nd in the 90's and 1st in the 00's.

Moy, I'd likely put Gonzaga at an A- in real life. They've been very, very good but I couldn't give them more than that because of the lack of deep runs (no F4's and only one E8 in that 10-yr run). If they had some more deep runs, then yes.

They are certainly a real player in recruiting. They've signed McDonald's kids and have routinely beaten Pac-10 and Big 12 schools out for recruits. That right there is a prime indication of what level they are viewed at.

And I was going to make the same point about Duke that Iguana did, but as usual, he had better #'s to back it up, so I'll let his point stand, lol.

I would but Gonzaga at a B+. But I really wouldn't argue at an A- as I can see the reasons for that as well.

I wish it was harder for any team to get to the A/A+ range in HD then it is. But that is just my thoughts.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 1/31/2010

Moy, I'd likely put Gonzaga at an A- in real life. They've been very, very good but I couldn't give them more than that because of the lack of deep runs (no F4's and only one E8 in that 10-yr run). If they had some more deep runs, then yes.

They are certainly a real player in recruiting. They've signed McDonald's kids and have routinely beaten Pac-10 and Big 12 schools out for recruits. That right there is a prime indication of what level they are viewed at.

And I was going to make the same point about Duke that Iguana did, but as usual, he had better #'s to back it up, so I'll let his point stand, lol.

daalt - I'm just using zaga as an example for floating prestige. I think the game does try to mirror some aspect of real life. So... that said - we are talking baslines here... so you would put gonzaga at an A- baseline with 11 straight appearances and few deep runs up against an A+ Duke with some 30 years of NT appearances and NT championships? Or a UNC with 40 straight years of stellar performance including the same? Or an A Maryland with deep runs since 1980.



Single season fluctuation between A and B is different from an A baaseline where its easier to maintain or get back to an A prestige. I can see zaga in real life as an A prestige right now... but I see them falling down a lot quicker than I see Duke falling down after a couple of bad seasons.... thus the baseline.

zhawks, I sent a ticket to find out about South Florida. There is a post about it somewhere in here. They are real hesitant to give out all of the baseline's, but if you just ask for 1 or 2 they will look it up for you.

Quote: Originally posted by porkpower on 1/31/2010zhawks, I sent a ticket to find out about South Florida. There is a post about it somewhere in here. They are real hesitant to give out all of the baseline's, but if you just ask for 1 or 2 they will look it up for you.

Ok, gotcha. Thanks.

I think I would put Gonzaga at a B+ in real life. They recruit and finish the season at a rate that is somewhat around Tenn, Pitt, and Purdue. Maybe a little worse then those teams, but pretty close.

Quote: Originally Posted By porkpower on 1/31/2010
I think I would put Gonzaga at a B+ in real life. They recruit and finish the season at a rate that is somewhat around Tenn, Pitt, and Purdue. Maybe a little worse then those teams, but pretty close.

I'd agree - if they continue for another 5-10 seasons I would certainly put them up there with the big dogs like zona, Uofi, UMD, etc.

Another 10 like this and I still would not put them at an A+, though. Would need a final 4 or 2 and a few more 1st round picks mixed in there. Maybe my standards are too high.

Quote: Originally Posted By porkpower on 1/31/2010Another 10 like this and I still would not put them at an A+, though. Would need a final 4 or 2 and a few more 1st round picks mixed in there. Maybe my standards are too high

good point - I agree