Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009
So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record...

1 There are a few owners who don't understnad the SS ratings of HBD or have any common sense

2 The SSs in the game are getting to many chances.

3 If you are having SS issues it most def user error

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record...1 There are far to few SSs of HBD standards in the game.2 The SSs in the game are commiting far to many errors.3 This does not seem to be user error as much as a systemic issue.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009
So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record...

1 There are far to few SSs of HBD standards in the game.

2 The SSs in the game are commiting far to many errors.

3 This does not seem to be user error as much as a systemic issue.



1. Look up "suicide". You'll see that you used the term incorrectly.

2. Do you only read your posts? Because everything else you posted had been disputed and proven wrong.

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/21/2009

I haven't been following this thread, but for some bizarre reason shortstop ratings spilled over into the HFA thread, so I thought I'd post this here:

Slow day at work, so I took at look at the recently completed season in MG.

32 shortstops qualified with enough defensive innings played to be listed among the league leaders in fielding.

14 of those shortstops had defensive ratings at or above the HBD recommendations of 80/85/85/85. Combined, they had a cumulative fielding percentage of .978.

The other 18 shortstops, who were under the recs in one or more rating, had a cumulative fielding percentage of .966.

Overall fielding percentage for the 32 shortstops was .971.

Draw your own conclusions. But it seems pretty clear that HBD shortstops with defensive ratings above the recs outperform the MLB average, and HBD shortstops with defensive ratings below the recs underperform the MLB average.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009
So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record...

1 There are far to few SSs of HBD standards in the game.

2 The SSs in the game are commiting far to many errors.

3 This does not seem to be user error as much as a systemic issue.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/21/2009

My MG SS is 82/88/86/85. Just barely the recommended ratings. He made 20 errors in 158 games while fielding .977. RF of 5.77.



In MLB 2009, one SS with 50+ games played has a RF over 5. Andrus, 77 games, 5.36 RF.

9 SS, with 50+ GP, have .977+ fielding percentage.

How, again, is fielding "broken"?

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009
So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record... Maybe, if someone would suggest something worthwhile

1 There are far to few SSs of HBD standards in the game. It is ML average. By definition, some will be better, some will be worse. Many have found that there are enough SSs if you can draft, spend for, or develop them

2 The SSs in the game are commiting far to many errors. Maybe. But, not for the reason you think it is. Fielding percentages are similar to RL. But, WIS has more chances going to the SS. More chances = more errors

3 This does not seem to be user error as much as a systemic issue. User error for those who either choose to go with a below averagfe SS or fail to understand, develop or otherwise acquire a capable SS



Swamp's posts are often cimical. He thinks he finds something, but lacks comprehension or understanding of what drives the games.

Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009
FWIW:

MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974

HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962

sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts

Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 7/27/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009

FWIW:

MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974

HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962

sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts

maybe swamp (and Arlen) should read thi


That almost proves my point that the penalty for below average defensive players isn't punitive enough.

Quote: Originally Posted By Crump123 on 7/27/2009
That almost proves my point that the penalty for below average defensive players isn't punitive enough.

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/21/2009

First basemen don't play SS because their range would be abysmal, not because they'd make more errors. They might actually have a better than average fielding %, because they'd only get to the really easy chances.

Talk about baseless claims.

Quote: Originally Posted By Crump123 on 7/27/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009

So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record...

1 There are far to few SSs of HBD standards in the game.

2 The SSs in the game are commiting far to many errors.

3 This does not seem to be user error as much as a systemic issue.




Sometimes i really wonder whether basic economics and statistics should be mandatory requirements for playing this game... it'd really make people understand whats involved... and reduce the number of pointless threads.

In summary.

1. GG SS's are rare, hence they have value, if you want one that can hit, either draft one, or trade for one, if you're not willing to pay the price in trade then tough luck, thats your decision. It's called supply and demand, the demand for a fixed supply sets the price.

2. See point 1. In addition, pay for a decent coaches, again if you have a meagre coaching budget because you're spending it on other things tough, thats your decision, its called opportunity cost.

3. There are at least 10-15 ML fielding quality SSs in any draft, not to mention any Int'ls, with various levels of hitting ability. There are plenty to go around... Therefore See point 1 and point 2.

Couldn't agree more...an open mind is another suggested requirement. I like being proven wrong....means I learned something along the way and there is nothing wrong with that.