volk, don't forget that very few players who played at least 10 seasons play all of them for one team. so you're not likely to find many guys who meet the 10-season rule who could only be nominated by one franchise, thus being susceptible to getting screwed by a bad owner.

Based on the limits on Page 1, it seems to me that Haywood Towers wouldn't be eligible to be nominated. That's just not right. Whether you think he's a HOFer or not, he definitely deserves his day in court, as it were.

The AB/season, IP/season limits would also make it easy for a vindictive owner to make a player ineligible for the HOF (assuming he doesn't meet the auto-nominate standards). Just keep signing a guy who's getting old to a contract to keep him active, then only give him a few games/innings in the bigs. Do it for 4-5 seasons and his averages will probably drop below the threshold.

I probably should check this first but I am not going to. Didnt players in year 1 come in with Big league years already under them. I know there are no stats but they had 4 years of service or whatever. SO they might have retired in Year 8 but ended up with 12 years. Is this player eligible. Is it 10 years of stats or 10 years in the Bigs?

My guess is you aren't restricted from nominating players from other teams. I don't think this is going to be the problem people expect it to be. In truth, only worlds with little turnover and a strong, dedicated core are going to elect enough HOFers to matter.

Quote: Originally posted by patrickm885 on 1/13/2010Hey guys,Here are some details on how the HOF is going to work. I'll answer any other questions you might have throughout the day and the coming weeks until we release it.

Each individual world will have their own HOF. We are not implementing an "All Worlds HOF" just yet. HOF eligibility will be retroactive for all seasons in every world. So players that played in season 10, retired, and qualify in a world currently in season 15 will be eligible to be nominated. Voting is all user based and a player needs 20 votes to be inducted into the HOF.

Eligibility for the HOF is two fold, there are automatic nominations that the AI processes. These players are automatically eligible to be voted into the HOF (criteria below). Users will get to nominate players that fit the criteria listed below as well. Users can nominate any player that played on his franchise at any point during his career.

Criteria is as follows:

Auto-nominations-
Position Players: 7+ Silver Slugger, 10+ Gold Gloves, 7+ All Star Appearances, 3+ MVPs, 500+ HRs, or 3,000+ Hs

Pitchers: 7+ All Star Appearances, 3+ Fireman of the Year, 3+ Cy Young Awards, 300+ wins, 3000+ Ks, or 500+ SVs

User nominations-
Position players: 10+ years of ML experience with 400+ PA per season.
Relief pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 50+ IP per season.
Starting pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 150+ IP per season.

That seems to indicate you are limited in which qualified players you can nominate.

It certainly does. So I'll go back to this: "In truth, only worlds with little turnover and a strong, dedicated core are going to elect enough HOFers to matter."

If you've got a team(or teams) that changes owners every other season, those guys aren't going to be interested in the history of the world. Getting 17 or 20 owners to vote for the same 5 players is going to be a task even if you have a core 25. If you have a core 15, it probably won't ever happen.

Is it possible to grant world commisioners the ability to view all HOF nomination eligible players and make nominations?

This would partially solve the nomination question for transient owners in private worlds.

One question: Under the criteria specified, will SIMMY nominate only retired players? If you notice, under the heading of Auto-nominations, it does not specify "Retired Players only".

Todd, I would hope that went without having to be stated. Or do you have that little faith in the HBD programmers?

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Quote: Originally Posted By jwelsh1023 on 1/14/2010Todd, I would hope that went without having to be stated. Or do you have that little faith in the HBD programmers

You would HOPE. The other side of it is that it SHOULD be stated so owners wouldn't squawk about their guy who has the stats, but just won't quit.

I hope the voting screen has sortable career stats and awards. This sounds like a fun idea, but I don't want to have to click on dozens of different player cards.

Patrick,

I'm still a little confused on whether certain guys would be eligible to be nominated if they began the world as an SP, but were then moved to the bullpen due to age. As an example, here's a guy that never played for my team in Clemente, but when the world started he was widely regarded as the world's dominant pitcher. Unfortunately, due to his age at the beginning of the world, he only had 8 years as a starter before being moved to the bullpen. He then spent 3 more years as a reliever. His innings break down like this:

SP: 8 seasons, avg about 212 IP/season, but only eclipsing 150 innings in 6 of those 8 seasons.

RP: 3 seasons, avg about 72 IP/season, broke 50 IP in 2 of those 3 seasons.

So he has 11 seasons of Major League service, but he comes up 2 shy of 10 as a starter and 7 shy of 10 as a reliever. His inning AVERAGES meet the qualifications, but individual 150 IP starter/50 IP reliever seasons come up short.

He also made 5 All-Star games (2 shy of automatic nomination) and won 2 Cy Young Awards (1 shy of automatic nomination).

So, by the guidelines you mentioned back on page 1, would his former owner be able to nominate Edge Carlyle for the Hall of Fame? Do his combined starter and reliever stats qualify him, or can't they be combined?

Edge Carlyle

i'd guess a starter only has to average 150 innings to make it in, not exceed it every single season, another possibility is that they want the player to have 10 seasons of more than 150 innings pitched as a starter...patrick can we get some clarification here?

it's an interesting question beyond that point regarding a dual career as a starter and then a reliever, something pretty common for star pitchers who can still hang around but lose the stamina to be full time starters...

if eligibilty is done as an average i'm also wondering about the average for position players and whether someone hanging around for a couple seasons on the bench could lose eligibility by having their average plate appearances drop below 400...an owner could bring a former star up for cups of coffee for 4 seasons or so and strip a player of his HOF eligibility, possibly out of spite...this is a moot point if we are looking for number of seasons over 400 PA's...

I would guess that it would be 10 seasons with over 400 PAs. The point raised about part-time/bench seasons cutting into players eligibility is worrying though.

400 PAs is not tough to get, I have a 70 DUR catcher who bats 2nd and this past season he missed 17 days with injury and still got 457. The threshold is fine as it is in my opinion.