"Eating a contract" Topic

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Actually if you want to check my trade history, I prefer to do what you suggested, hold on to a guy for as long as it takes to get what I think the guy is worth. I held on to a few guys for a couple seasons until I was able to get what I wanted for them, and also find a suitable replacement at a slightly cheaper cost, but I also made deals right away with a couple guys because there was good offers for them. But to be clear, just because I did it and still do it that way doesn't mean it's the only way I think is acceptable. There are multiple ways to go about trading guys and I will never say one way is acceptable while another is not. I'm not going to try and control the way someone else runs their team like some people on here.
10/28/2010 2:35 PM
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And we're back to "It's my team, I can do what I want!"   No, you don't play HBD in a vacuum.   31 other people plopped down their $25.  You have to play in manner that's acceptable to them.  Sorry, you really seem to be misunderstanding how this works.
10/28/2010 2:41 PM
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By the way, there's no "glory" in just letting people do as they please.    The world has laws, rules, guidelines and just general codes of conduct.   The same applies to HBD.
10/28/2010 2:42 PM
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Actually Mike, you seem to be misunderstanding. I am free to join a world that is acceptable to me and therefor I don't to care what you think about how the game should be played. As long as guys aren't breaking any HBD rules I don't care what they do. If they want to trade a Cy Young pitcher for two average SP's that's up to them. I'm not going to veto it as long as both are in agreement to the deal. You can play in your worlds where everyone follows whatever you say but I prefer to play with guys of varying strategies and opinions.

10/28/2010 2:50 PM
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I understand completely.   You want to play in the Wild West where anything goes.  Which is fine.   But I'll go back to owners such as yourself find themselves in over their heads when they join worlds that forces all teams to be competitive, worlds that don't allow you to "do what you want" if it's detrimental to the world or worlds that only accept owners with proven track records.  Enjoy your worlds, that's really all that matters.
10/28/2010 2:56 PM
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Just a moment to interject....

"You can play in your worlds where everyone follows whatever you say..." just kinda rubbed me the wrong way, having played in 4 worlds with Mike over the years.

I hope that everyone ripping into fatboy appreciates that those of us who play in worlds with him also wish to play by those rules.

It's not a dictatorship, and I dare you to find a commish who cares more about the state of his worlds.
10/28/2010 2:57 PM
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Thanks.  I think I made that point in another thread.   dedelman(I think) said a commish really has no control if 10 owners go against the world rules and start vetoing deals that should be accepted.  He said the only recourse would be to refuse to roll with them in it and with the trouble people have filling worlds, a commish is unlikely to do that.   While I somewhat agreed with him, I also explained to him that's exactly what I'd do.  I told him that I would have failed the world and myself by allowing in 10 owners who didn't want to play by the rules that had been accepted.   I wouldn't roll the world with them in it and their only recourse would be to vote me out.  Then they'd have to deal with the backlash from the other 21 owners, some of whom may not care at all, over the violation of the guidelines and how it would be handled moving forward.

In short, owners join worlds because that's the world they want to be in.  We can argue all day over right/wrong but your world probably has a policy in place.  If it doesn't, it probably needs one.
10/28/2010 3:10 PM
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Posted by timf on 10/28/2010 2:50:00 PM (view original):

Actually Mike, you seem to be misunderstanding. I am free to join a world that is acceptable to me and therefor I don't to care what you think about how the game should be played. As long as guys aren't breaking any HBD rules I don't care what they do. If they want to trade a Cy Young pitcher for two average SP's that's up to them. I'm not going to veto it as long as both are in agreement to the deal. You can play in your worlds where everyone follows whatever you say but I prefer to play with guys of varying strategies and opinions.

The problem with that reasoning is you end up with a few owners who are skilled in the game taking advantage of owners who are not very skilled in the game. In the long run you end up with 2 to 4 super teams who will win 110-120 games a season, and a handful of teams who will consistently have new ownership because those teams have been robbed year in and year out by the few super teams.

You end up with a world that will usually have high turn over and a world that will be avoided by the quality owners you would desire in your world. Vetoes keep the world closer to fair and balanced, not like Fox balanced.
10/28/2010 5:33 PM
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MikeT and plague just agreed. You know the other dude must be wrong.


10/28/2010 10:18 PM
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It's really just the understanding that being apathetic about what's going on around you can be a problem.  Some people don't see that.
10/28/2010 10:28 PM
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MikeT just because I don't veto trades (unless there is something fishy going on) and I don't care to be in the same worlds as you (I would say I'm not alone on that) does not mean I don't see what you are talking about. It just doesn't happen in my worlds. We have very low turnover and that's why I chose those worlds. I took my time choosing worlds and when I found them I got in. Probably the same thing that you do or did when choosing your worlds. I just happen to pick different worlds. It doesn't make me wrong just because I don't agree with you and that is my main point of contention with you. There are worlds that have those problems that you mentioned but I don't see it in my worlds.
10/29/2010 12:01 PM
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I guess you missed this:
"In short, owners join worlds because that's the world they want to be in.  We can argue all day over right/wrong but your world probably has a policy in place.  If it doesn't, it probably needs one."

I don't really care what happens IN YOUR WORLD.  But this is an open forum.   I happen to think worlds can't approve/veto inconsistently without inviting trouble.  I'm not wrong about this.   Before I started my first world, I watched the implosions.   Other than personality conflicts, the problems always came from a trade.  Maybe it was approved, maybe it was vetoed but somebody was ******.   Inconsistent approval/veto will eventually bite a world in the ***.  If you don't think it will, you are definitely wrong.
10/29/2010 12:14 PM
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"I'm not wrong about this."
I get it, if I don't agree with you I'm wrong. I just showed you three worlds that work without overzealous vetoing and you dismiss them. Maybe the problem wasn't the policy or lack of one, maybe the problem was the people in those worlds or the person running it.
10/29/2010 12:26 PM
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Yet.

I happen to think worlds can't approve/veto inconsistently without inviting trouble.  I'm not wrong about this.

Trouble just hasn't happened.  But I guess you fully understand the personalities of all 31 owners in your world.  Good for you.
10/29/2010 12:39 PM
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I'm not saying I know or understand every single owner in every one of my worlds. I'm just saying you don't even acknowledge the possibility that it can work because you have seen times it doesn't. Pretty small minded of you. I'm not surprised.
10/29/2010 12:41 PM
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